Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
I think it's best we just let this pass and get back to business. :-) No need to continue to drag this through the mud. Rather, this is our opportunity to: a) go through osnews/slashdot looking for decent feedback b) get a feel of what people think about GNOME both good and bad. and other things

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
Santiago Roza wrote: > oh god... > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 Well the thread is slowly reaching troll stages on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and GNOMEUsability - so perhaps it would worthwhile to figure out what exactly Linus is getting at. And on second thoughts why not blog

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Toufeeq Hussain
Hi, On 12/14/05, Santiago Roza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As jdub would roughly put it "Don't Panic". > > well i never said we should panic, but it's something we should be > keeping an eye on. I don't see a reason to Panic. This flamewar has been going on for ages and will never end. So yes,

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Santiago Roza
> As jdub would roughly put it "Don't Panic". well i never said we should panic, but it's something we should be keeping an eye on. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketi

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Jerome Gotangco
As jdub would roughly put it "Don't Panic". Jerome Gotangco [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +639196555242 GPG: 0xA97B69A0 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Murray Cumming
> We need to thank him for generating so much press. That should raise our > profile in many trade rags. We need to tell the press people we are open > for > interviews and what not so that we can give people a balanced view. ;) Good idea. I've mentioned that on my blog, so it appears on planet

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Žygimantas Beručka
An, 2005 12 13 13:29 -0500, Rajiv Vyas rašė: > Very strong opinion from an extremely smart and influential guy. Very smart and influential yes, intelligent no, YOU FUCKIN IDIOTS. Considering his mails should we market GNOME as 'intelligent' instead of 'usable'? :) It sounds cool and raises a quest

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
We need to thank him for generating so much press. That should raise our profile in many trade rags. We need to tell the press people we are open for interviews and what not so that we can give people a balanced view. ;) sri On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:29:49PM -0500, Rajiv Vyas wrote: > Very s

Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Rajiv Vyas
Very strong opinion from an extremely smart and influential guy. On 12/13/05, Santiago Roza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh god... > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 > > > -- > Santiago Roza > Departamento I+D - Thymbra > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > marketing-list mailing lis

slashdot: linus says "use kde"

2005-12-13 Thread Santiago Roza
oh god... http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-13 Thread Claus Schwarm
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:04:46 + Alex Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Also, I know people have banged on about gnome.org a few times, but > hiding the LiveCD in the download area is a shame. We should have some > kind of 'Take a test drive' pretty prominently on the front page, if

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-13 Thread Alex Hudson
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 13:45 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 11:31 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> I would prefer to just link to LiveCDs for the distributions, but > >> 1) They don't provide these at the right time. > >> 2) They don't all provide them. > >> 3) They are not

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-13 Thread Murray Cumming
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 11:31 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: >> I would prefer to just link to LiveCDs for the distributions, but >> 1) They don't provide these at the right time. >> 2) They don't all provide them. >> 3) They are not all a good user experience. > > Didn't Luis start an ubuntu-offsho

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 11:31 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > > I would prefer to just link to LiveCDs for the distributions, but > > 1) They don't provide these at the right time. > > 2) They don't all provide them. > > 3) They are not all a good user experience. > > Didn't Luis start an ubuntu-

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-13 Thread Alex Hudson
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 11:31 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > I would prefer to just link to LiveCDs for the distributions, but > 1) They don't provide these at the right time. > 2) They don't all provide them. > 3) They are not all a good user experience. Didn't Luis start an ubuntu-offshoot "pure"

Re: real marketing or just catchy slogans?

2005-12-13 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 21:55 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: > > It's GNOME plus what GNOME needs to run. We do reverse major Ubuntu > > changes such as browse-mode-as-default and Firefox-instead-of-epiphany, > > and the theme, so it's a pretty pure GNOME experience. > > but what's the point of offerin

Re: collecting negative reviews

2005-12-13 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 22:12 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: > > Most of the stuff at the end of this list is outlying stuff that does > > not belong in any overview. > > and that's why i put that in the end and labeled it "not so common > and/or relevant" :) To encourage people to read it, just remo

Re: Please sit down before reading this, and take a deep breath.

2005-12-13 Thread Murray Cumming
> > >> It would be harmless to change it to "Gnome" if the marketing team >> decided >> that this is a good idea. > > Except that a large proportion of the project would like it to remain the > way it is. We've gone over this before, numerous times. OK. Then I misjudged the general opinion. Mur

Re: Please sit down before reading this, and take a deep breath.

2005-12-13 Thread Jeff Waugh
> It would be harmless to change it to "Gnome" if the marketing team decided > that this is a good idea. Except that a large proportion of the project would like it to remain the way it is. We've gone over this before, numerous times. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand

Re: Please sit down before reading this, and take a deep breath.

2005-12-13 Thread Murray Cumming
> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 16:47 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > >> > What is GNOME? We seem to fond of asking that question these days. >> The >> > answer is simple: it is the GNU Network Object Model Environment. >> >> That is never ever the answer, and hasn't been for a long time. If it's >> anywh