Re: Local group name

2005-12-16 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > we are in the process of assembling a local group in Brazil, whose job > would be generally representing GNOME in the country, gathering users, > guiding potential developers, etc. Normally (and I don't know if this is written down someplace) the country codes viz.

Re: Local group name

2005-12-16 Thread Santiago Roza
i certainly don't have any experience on issues like this one, but if you're interested in random opinions, i think gnome brasil sounds much better and more... "human" than gnome-br, which is a little geeky, weird to pronounce, and not really suited for general audiences imho. on the other hand,

Local group name

2005-12-16 Thread Guilherme de S. Pastore
Hello all, we are in the process of assembling a local group in Brazil, whose job would be generally representing GNOME in the country, gathering users, guiding potential developers, etc. We were thinking about our names and got a doubt... "GNOME-BR" or "GNOME Brasil"? We do not really have stron

Mapping GNOME contributors from around the world!

2005-12-16 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Dear All, I started a community map at http://www.frappr.com/gnomedev for the people that contribute to the GNOME platform! Therefore, if you are involved in any aspect of GNOME development, please join in! For example, this includes people involved in coding, translating, marketing, porting,

Mapping GNOME developers and contributors

2005-12-16 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Hi All, OOo has created a community page for their developers at Frappr (http://www.frappr.com), http://www.frappr.com/ooodev They already have over 40 members registered and it looks really good. I know that there is already a GNOME map at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide However, it is u

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Santiago Roza
> What brings us to the point of... continuing the personas project, which > is really interesing and something really new and constructive in our > discussions. that's #1 in my [gnome] to-do list, believe me. i'm sure there will be progress real soon, and i'll post here whatever i have (as soon

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Quim Gil
En/na Santiago Roza ha escrit: > yes effective advocacy requires knowing your target markets, but > that's a prerequisite for advocacy, not advocacy itself. so if we're > gonna do that in addition to just advocacy, well it won't be just > advocacy. What brings us to the point of... continuing

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Fernando San Martín Woerner wrote: El sáb, 17-12-2005 a las 00:53 +1100, Jeff Waugh escribió: I'm really disappointed that Quim and German aren't on, but everyone who stood this year was rad in one way or another, so I'm again disappointed that we've reduced the number of directors. that

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Santiago Roza
> You are welcome to disagree (and > reduce your motivation to help out), but then we're just playing semantics, > and not getting on with the job. i wasn't trying to play semantics, just explaining why i had gotten you wrong. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- mar

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Fernando San Martín Woerner
El sáb, 17-12-2005 a las 00:53 +1100, Jeff Waugh escribió: > > > > > That was just a little off-topic public gripe. There are people who I > > > would have liked to see on the Board who didn't get on. ;-) > > > > oh now i see. care to share those names at least in private? ;) > > I'm really d

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > That was just a little off-topic public gripe. There are people who I > > would have liked to see on the Board who didn't get on. ;-) > > oh now i see. care to share those names at least in private? ;) I'm really disappointed that Quim and German aren't on, but everyone who stood this yea

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Santiago Roza
> That was just a little off-topic public gripe. There are people who I would > have liked to see on the Board who didn't get on. ;-) oh now i see. care to share those names at least in private? ;) > Developers are not really all that relevant to this > discussion, their time is better spent

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > I dunno - with old board members, new board members, and people who > > should have been elected (!!!) > > i don't understand what you mean by "should have been elected"; could you > please explain? That was just a little off-topic public gripe. There are people who I would have liked to se

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Santiago Roza
> I dunno - with old board members, new board members, and people who should > have been elected (!!!) i don't understand what you mean by "should have been elected"; could you please explain? > (at least in Foundation terms, as opposed to developer terms - but I think > that's entirely sensibl

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 02:57 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: > it's not my fault if gnome's developers don't give a f*ck about public > relations, external communication, marketing, and pretty much > everything other than coding. > > but... if developers cared to consider the marketing team as somethin

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 16:35 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > well, it's marketing (or to be exact, public relations) 101... you (as an > > organization) don't just shut up when someone trashes your image. > > > > go write a high-profile article trashing coca-cola or intel or whatever > > big bra

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 01:14 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: > > You're certainly welcome to send whatever response you want, but I'd > > suggest that there are many better things to do than respond directly > > to Linus. > > > cool then; message acknowledged. i now understand that we're a > marketin

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 09:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I said we should be going through the common criticisms and > *communicating* the decisions behind them. See I said it again ;-) By the way, we generally try to do this in the release notes, particularly when we imagine that people might

Marketing team's role (was: Re: response to linus...?)

2005-12-16 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Santiago, Santiago Roza wrote: i meant "we" the marketing team; dude i don't consider myself a gnome hacker :) Everyone involved with GNOME is in the marketing team. Kathy Sierra wrote at lenght about this: http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/08/you_are_a_marke.ht

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
> and i didn't know that not because i didn't care, but because there's not > much communication going on between this list and the people who makes the > actual decisions about gnome. I dunno - with old board members, new board members, and people who should have been elected (!!!) helping out

Re: response to linus...?

2005-12-16 Thread Santiago Roza
> Dude - Chris, Nat, Havoc and I each politely disagreed with his message, in > the appropriate forum. yeah well i wasn't meaning that particular "we"; of course nat or havoc or you or chris don't fear linux. i meant "we" the marketing team; dude i don't consider myself a gnome hacker :) > Th