visibility at the user level (was: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?)

2006-12-31 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/24/06, Joachim Noreiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When a user boots Ubuntu, they see the Ubuntu > splash, > > the Ubuntu desktop background, and the Ubuntu logo > on > > the panel. And t

Re: Fwd: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-25 Thread Thilo Pfennig
On 12/24/06, Joachim Noreiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When a user boots Ubuntu, they see the Ubuntu splash, > the Ubuntu desktop background, and the Ubuntu logo on > the panel. And that's as it should be -- otherwise, > they'd say 'Hey, I put in a

Re: Fwd: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I don't really see "blocking". I think we will > not increase > awarenesss of GNOME from our website. The websites > are a mess - but > whoever visits GNOME websites has at least some idea > of why he visits > these pages. I mean that working

Fwd: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-23 Thread Thilo Pfennig
-- Forwarded message -- From: Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Dec 24, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing? To: Joachim Noreiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 12/23/06, Joachim Noreiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Thilo P

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-23 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Thilo Pfennig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So besides GnomeWeb where many people are already > involved and acting > - if we consider our goals what is our main > problem? > > * Increase awareness of GNOME. > * Increase the user base of GNOME > * Making it easier for GNOME users to become G

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-23 Thread Thilo Pfennig
On 12/23/06, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact it's more about realism and pragmatism than simplification. > How many tasks have we completed and how many people has been > regularly involved assuming responsibilities in tasks? More than > 10X10? > > Having longer lists doesn't necessar

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-23 Thread Quim Gil
In fact it's more about realism and pragmatism than simplification. How many tasks have we completed and how many people has been regularly involved assuming responsibilities in tasks? More than 10X10? Having longer lists doesn't necessarily help achieving more tasks. Said that, I'm not suggesting

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-23 Thread Thilo Pfennig
On 12/23/06, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Following these 3 steps we may start building a successful 10x10 MT > plan for 2007. Well maybe a bit too much simplification. Maybe we do not list so much - but still there is always much todo - and just reducing tasks will not make things bette

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-22 Thread Quim Gil
Thank you for this very interesting thread. It probably contains most of what we need and will be able to complete in 2007. Let's polish the ideas contained here and focus on them. - The "glue together" and other MT tasks/goals should be explained clearly at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing s

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-21 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joachim Noreiko wrote: > > That's something we need 'glue-people' for -- > > developers who are on several teams or hop between > > them. > > 'Glue people' is exactly how I would characterise > good marketers. The > message is the reflection of what th

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-18 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > --- Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Example: module maintainer 1 is working on >> abstracting away some aspect >> (functionality X) of his module behind a library. ... > That's going to be too technical for some members the > marketing team. We're a pretty t

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-18 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The marketing team should define an overall goal > for GNOME. We should > > not just invent slogans. We also should not try to > "sell" GNOME. I > > think that we do not want that because than we > would want people to > > use GNOME instead of KDE o

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-18 Thread Thilo Pfennig
Hi Dave, 2006/12/18, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There is a continuing opportunity for someone (or some group of people) > to get in contact with module maintainers, talk to them one-to-one, and > see how we can/should interract with the development process. The > marketing team can be a fe

Re: How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-18 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Thilo, Thilo Pfennig wrote: > I have scanned our mailing list archive and found out that WGO revamp > had taken much of our energy, while discussion about how we should do > marketing were rare. I have had many thoughts on this, and the BOF from GUADEC had a reasonable list of actions associa

How do we want to do GNOME Marketing?

2006-12-17 Thread Thilo Pfennig
Hi, I have scanned our mailing list archive and found out that WGO revamp had taken much of our energy, while discussion about how we should do marketing were rare. You can many nice ideas in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing, but the question is not only what target markets we have (http://li