Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-10 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 11:24 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > I met with Denise last week and she pointed out: > * It's very hard to tell what GNOME is from our web pages. If > you don't know when you land on gnome.org, you aren't likely > to figure it out. An "easy to understand

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-09 Thread Claus Schwarm
Thanks for your answer. Also to Paul and Dave! I also appreciate that Denise dedicated her time to make a difference. I'd usually love to hear her opinion! But one feedback doesn't make data. After all, the points she mentions are either well-known or irrelevant. Related issues -- like the target

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Lyon
On 09/09/2009 09:13 AM, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Just because one can point out some objections, doesn't mean it's worth > listening. Sorry Claus, I'm new to the list and was just adding to the discussion. I'm a corporate webmaster and thought I had something valuable to contribute. I wasn't making

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-09 Thread Stormy Peters
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Claus Schwarm wrote: > Just because one can point out some objections, doesn't mean it's worth > listening. > > It's not easy to find a list of projects? What about visiting the > homepage and -- watch out, this is going to be complicated: -- clicking > the link cal

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-09 Thread Claus Schwarm
Just because one can point out some objections, doesn't mean it's worth listening. It's not easy to find a list of projects? What about visiting the homepage and -- watch out, this is going to be complicated: -- clicking the link called "projects"? Also, in all these years I'm reading online disc

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-09 Thread sankarshan
and, not a technical definition per se. > It's very hard to find a list of projects in GNOME. This is somewhat linked to the "what is GNOME" problem I'd guess. And, would projects mean projects that use the gnome.org infrastructure for hosting or, ones that constitute pretty

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Stormy Peters
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > Good point, and I actually think that old users don't use > www.gnome.org that much, so we should prioritize the "I know pretty > much nothing about GNOME user" case. However, easy to reach pointers > for other possible audiences (potential

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 11:24 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > I met with Denise last week and she pointed out: > * It's very hard to tell what GNOME is from our web pages. If > you don't know when you land on gnome.org, you aren't likely > to figure it out. An "easy to understand

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Paul Cutler
I agree we could do a better job, especially with the "who we are" and "what we do" (we being GNOME). As well as Why. The new www.gnome.org takes steps to address this, if you have a chance to review the sitemap at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/TwoPointTwentyseven/Content The first draft of the

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/9/8 Dave Lyon : > On 09/08/2009 02:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: >>> Our current web pages are pretty much for people that already know what >>> > GNOME is, but we might want to rethink that as we roll out the new >>> > webpage. >>> > >>> > I think it's a marketing problem. Thoughts? >> I think

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Dave Lyon
On 09/08/2009 02:30 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: >> Our current web pages are pretty much for people that already know what >> > GNOME is, but we might want to rethink that as we roll out the new webpage. >> > >> > I think it's a marketing problem. Thoughts? > I think we should break it down to these: >

Re: What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/9/8 Stormy Peters : > I met with Denise last week and she pointed out: > > It's very hard to tell what GNOME is from our web pages. If you don't know > when you land on gnome.org, you aren't likely to figure it out. An "easy to > understand desktop" doesn't really mean anything to non desktop/

What is GNOME?

2009-09-08 Thread Stormy Peters
I met with Denise last week and she pointed out: - It's very hard to tell what GNOME is from our web pages. If you don't know when you land on gnome.org, you aren't likely to figure it out. An "easy to understand desktop" doesn't really mean anything to non desktop/OS developers. When

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-13 Thread John Williams
Hi all. Please start a new thread for this discussion. It has nothing to do with the title of the thread. I mean this in a kind, loving, inclusive way. :-) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-13 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
Yeah, that would be really sweet if you could work on art type things. I've been trying to recruit my brother but he doesn't "get it" yet. If I can get him to start using Ubuntu I might have some chance to get him to do some art. So the more artists the better. sri On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-13 Thread David Neary
Hi Richard, Richard Hoelscher wrote: > BTW, sorry... I signed up to the list so I could work on art and media > rather than ramble on about these subjects... :) Great! Really, we have a lack of artists around here. And I'm one of the lacking... Would you like to come up with some sketched for GN

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-12 Thread Richard Hoelscher
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:21:27 +0100, Claus Schwarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just read an interview with Matthias Ettrich, KDE founder and Qt > developer, see [1]. He said: > > "A typical GNOME user seems to avoid KDE applications as the devil > avoids holy water. Vice versa, a typical KDE use

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 19:39 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:38:40 +0100 > Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 02:21 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > > > I just read an interview with Matthias Ettrich, KDE founder and Qt > > > developer, see [1].

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-12 Thread Claus Schwarm
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:38:40 +0100 Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 02:21 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > > I just read an interview with Matthias Ettrich, KDE founder and Qt > > developer, see [1]. He said: > > > > "A typical GNOME user seems to avoid KDE applicati

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-12 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 02:21 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: > I just read an interview with Matthias Ettrich, KDE founder and Qt > developer, see [1]. He said: > > "A typical GNOME user seems to avoid KDE applications as the devil > avoids holy water. Vice versa, a typical KDE user tends to avoid Gtk+

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-10 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Claus, Selon Claus Schwarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "A typical GNOME user seems to avoid KDE applications as the devil > avoids holy water. Vice versa, a typical KDE user tends to avoid Gtk+ or > Gnome-based applications. This creates unhealthy pressure to clone any > good idea that shows up in

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-10 Thread Claus Schwarm
Hi, John. On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:07:25 +1300 "John Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a few vague ideas about what I would like to know, but I would > rather ask for your burning questions. Specifically, when discussing > the issues that are raised in this list, what assumptions do

Re: What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-10 Thread Luis Villa
all the > hassles of interacting with your computer and the Internet. The fastest > way to do that seems to me to be the Free Software way. > > This is all very pragmatic of course. RMS would probably have a fit. I > do find, however, that when I talk about the philosophical points

What is GNOME and Getting some real data on users

2005-02-08 Thread John Williams
lk about the philosophical points of Free Software, that people understand easily. For the end user (rather than the CTO) RMS's points are simple and easy to understand. Maybe that's a cultural thing (I'm in New Zealand). So, after all this blathering I propose that any &q

Re: The "What is GNOME?" Answer

2005-02-08 Thread Charles Goodwin
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 16:25, Robert McMeekin wrote: > * Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03/09/04 04:31]: > > We need a refresh to our standard "What is GNOME?" answer and elevator > > pitch. > > GNOME is complete, free, easy-to-use software for your personal

Re: The "What is GNOME?" Answer

2005-02-08 Thread Robert McMeekin
* Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03/09/04 04:31]: > We need a refresh to our standard "What is GNOME?" answer and elevator > pitch. GNOME is complete, free, easy-to-use software for your personal computer, donated to you by an elite team of software developers from all walk