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[Marxism] The-Opportunity-Costs-of-Socialism.pdf [not sent] Regarding the health care systems - and whether interim solutions short of a fully communist health care systems are of any benefit to the working class: I have now worked in 4 health care systems as an academic intensive care physician for children. Having basically been left jobless as Thatcher cut the NHS dramatically, I was forced to travel unless I went private. In my own working life, I have no doubt that a capitalist system sponsored 'socialised' health care is infinitely superior. I do not think any one working in the health care services, with any dual experience of a national insurance plan (e.g. UK; Canada; much of Europe) versus a fully privatised system (USA), could doubt that the first is superior - for the working class. 1) Objective data; on adult mortality; on infant mortality; there can be no doubt that despite the reformist aspects of the health care systems in the former - confirms this. Myriads of data has supported this, much of it adduced by PNHP and in the USA, Woolhandler and Himmelstein; and in Canada by Guyatt. 2) No doubt that especially on issues of public health-prevention (Perhaps for us, most importantly initially championed by Engels, then the great physician Rudolph Virchow; and then by for , e.g., Henry Sigerist and of course many, many others since), the capitalist health care systems generally do not pay attention to this. 3) Nonetheless, capitalist systems have varied in their penetration of prevention. For e.g. the Scandinavian systems, even now, with their increasing concerns with cut-backs, have good (excellent) he alt care preventive strategies for prematurity, for maternal benefits, peri-pregnancy leaves etc. 4) The primary reasons for capitalist systems to introduce the health care systems in general were, partly identified by Engels in his path-breaking "Condition of the WC etc". Namely (i) the scourges of contagion do not restrict themselves to the workers alone, but - being infectious - 'travel' - and thereby affect the ruling class also. Hence - the bourgeoisie protects itself by reforms. Such as Jeremy Chadwick's immense sanitation works in the middle of the Industrial Revolution. (ii) To enable a health working class gun-fodder - witness the improvements post Boer War (iii) To defang revolutionary ferment (iv) Finally, a heath work force by and large increases dividends to an industrially inclined bourgeoisie (of less importance as far as I can see to the financial capitalist sections). So - objectively - many of the more far-sighted capitalist classes have accepted that a decent helot care system overall - benefits they themselves. I guess the point of this post is to just simply agree with Meeropol - that it is worth protecting a 'socialised' system, and attempts to move towards that. Albeit they are 'reformist'. A single payer system is undoubtedly better than otherwise, as it does reduce at least a couple of non-rational drivers: The insurers and physicians tendency to bill for profit; and it also potentially enables reducing drug expenditure. Hari Kumar _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com