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Not sure how I post to this. Hope this works: Shane, Why do you bother writing this stuff, when you clearly don't know the first thing about it? You say you're "on the other side of the world" but "on another planet" seems closer to the truth. Richard Seymour comprehensively rebutted your nonsensical claims that Lindsey German has been talked of as a "pro-capitalist renegade" and that she was "forced to resign". Unable to sustain those, silence would seem sensible. But instead, shifting the goalposts completely, you go off on one about the way in which "groups" treat their "members." Why not save that stuff for your therapist? What strange creatures one finds under the stones, on blogs like this... Gareth Dale To: l...@panix.comsubject: Re: [Marxism] Lindsey German?From: Shane Hopkinson <chen9692...@yahoo.com>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:50:18 -0800 (PST)Delivered-to: l...@panix.comlist-archive: <http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism>List-help: <mailto:marxism-requ...@lists.econ.utah.edu?subject=help>List-id: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism.lists.econ.utah.edu>List-post: <mailto:marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu>List-subscribe: <http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism>, <mailto:marxism-requ...@lists.econ.utah.edu?subject=subscribe>List-unsubscribe: <http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism>, <mailto:marxism-requ...@lists.econ.utah.edu?subject=unsubscribe>Reply-to: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu>Sender: marxism-bounces+lnp3=panix....@lists.econ.utah.edu ====================================================================== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. ====================================================================== When I last looked revolutionary sects didn't share their internal documents but even if they did - anyone with experience knows how organisations have all sorts of informal mechanisms to isolate dissent - and I am on the other side of the world so all I can cite is my 10 or so years with the DSP and the far left. I know that moving on from that only proves I am an apostate but the patterns are the same. Here the DSP split and expelled several of its founders and leading members (of course its disputed about whether they were expelled or took at "voluntary" redundancy) I don't imagine its much different there. Richard - I wish I had kept all my old DSP documents.because it sounds like you are quoting them When the DSP took over SA - they offered other sects much more than proportional representation etc etc but of course the DSP was larger force on the ground so it was easy to out organise them. Of course great show was made of how democratic it all was - which it was on paper - even when they were left with a shell. Then they split over whether to continue with the regroupment (ironically). The minority in the OZ case was the old leadership who wanted to move back to traditional Leninist party building - which I gather is not the case in the UK. My general point is the pathetic way these groups treat people - its no wonder its so hard to convince people when they can see what treatment gets meted out to insiders who stray from the one true path. Anyrate enough said. _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
