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Before this tedious back and forth goes on forever, I want to point out that Carrol Cox had the best post on Cuba over on the LBO-Talk list. I reproduce it here because it makes the necessary points succintly: Cuba was a liberated zone; it still has _some_ independence of international capital. Lenin knew that building socialism outside the core of capitalism was a pipe dream -- he also knew one had to try. There's no counter-revolution, there is merely an attempt to keep Cuba as decent as possible. Calling USSR, China, Cuba "Socialist" societies is sheer dogmatism. The next step is to 'criticize' them for not conforming to some abstract blueprint. Long Live the Cuban Revolution -- but don't pretend it was or ever could have been socialism. ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com