Re: M-TH: China and LOV

1999-11-29 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Simon makes some points: >> Workers like these two toiled for a pittance for decades, with >> the lifetime promise of a communist state's "iron rice bowl." >> Now, caught between two economic eras, they feel betrayed. > >Capitalism tells us all that we will be well off if we work hard. China, as

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-29 Thread J.WALKER
Ian, You wrote praised Meszaros' article for > We can do without worship (or vilification) of > Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, etc. Were we reading the same article as mine was littered with vilifications of Stalin and the Bolshevik revolution. You talk of some on the left of tur

Re: M-TH: New Nazis!

1999-11-29 Thread Charles Brown
Holy shit , Bob ! Charles >>> "Bob Malecki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/28/99 01:26AM >>> Well, There has been a big to do here this last couple of days. On top of a big strike and getting my job extended for another year there is the growing problem of new nazism here in this commune. We have a gr

Re: M-TH: Meszaros article: "Communism Is No Utopia"

1999-11-29 Thread J.WALKER
Simon, How can we demonstrate the 'state of nature' prior to the revolution? How do you negate the capitalist worldview scientifically? Surely to delete capitalism from the make-up of the world always ends-up looking like a previous stage in history as that is the only basis of comparison. T

Re: M-TH: China and LOV

1999-11-29 Thread Dave Bedggood
Simon shows all the signs of evolutionary menshevik thinking. Because for him the LOV is universal to class society, he can't see that the revolution in Russia was a qualitative change. Nor that the deformed revolution that followed in China was also. He cannot see that the reason that the i

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-29 Thread Ian Hunt
John, You wrote: > >Were we reading the same article as mine was littered with >vilifications of Stalin and the Bolshevik revolution. You talk of >some on the left of turning Marxism into a secular religion well the >charge could be made that others have turned it into a secular >witch-hunt. > >Wh

SV: M-TH: New Nazis!

1999-11-29 Thread Bob Malecki
> Holy shit , Bob ! > > Charles Well Maria and I got to go to the teachers conference yesterday. And we scared the shit out of them. Over and above the discussion on the problems we are facing (showing music,t-shirts and Nazi symbols we have been seeing of late) with this stuff I took up t