Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread Chris Burford
At 12:07 13/12/99 GMT, John Walker wrote: >Here are a few more quotes from Marx OWN writings on dialectics >existing in nature: Bravo!! If you are in Manchester have you been able to inspect in the rare books section of the John Rylands University Library for the 2000 page documents of the c

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-13 Thread Chris Burford
At 09:09 13/12/99 GMT, John Walker wrote: >Chris actually wrote that: >> One of the problems of a Gramscian concept of revolutionary change in a >> developed capitalist society it what individual changes are significant, >> however small. > >If Mohammad Ali was voted Sports personality of the ce

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread Lew
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J.WALKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >To ask, 'What is the relevance of dialectical materialism to the class >struggle?' demonstrates the very problem. Their commitment to the >class struggle is not in doubt but it misses entirely the whole point >of Marxism's solut

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/10/99 05:29PM >>> Of course they produced a lot of work together. But it would take a very extreme contortion to see them as always speaking with one voice. They were two separate human beings with their own strengths and weaknesses, and different interests. (

Re: M-TH: Response to John on the dialectic

1999-12-13 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/13/99 12:24PM Funny thing is, over on LBO, I'm pretty well locked in as hopeless defender of crass old-fashioned materialism (at least I think this is the case - they can be pretty hard to follow over there) Charles: Proud to have another v

Re: M-TH: Response to John on the dialectic

1999-12-13 Thread Charles Brown
Rob, _Anti-Duhring_ is very good to read. >>> Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/13/99 12:24PM >>> G'day Thaxists, John has prodded me back to *Anti-Duhring* - and what a good read it is, too (I've always maintained that, whilst Marx could deliver himself of some world-historic passages, Engels

M-TH: Response to John on the dialectic

1999-12-13 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Thaxists, John has prodded me back to *Anti-Duhring* - and what a good read it is, too (I've always maintained that, whilst Marx could deliver himself of some world-historic passages, Engels was the better read over any distance). Anyway, I reckon a would-be historical materialist, such a

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread Charles Brown
The following is more demonstration of dialectics as process of natural history : Reason and Revolt: Marxism and Science by Alan Woods and Ted Grant online @ http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~zac/maindex.htm CB ( >>> Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/13/99 09:00AM >>> You've c

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread J.WALKER
Hi again, IMO comrades - who are outraged at the economic system they find themselves in; who are morally offended by the massive poverty which sits unpleasantly next to the exclusivity of the great wealth of society - are drawn to Marxism as one amongst a number of possible solutions to this sta

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread Charles Brown
Good one , John, You have found even more examples than we did last time,directly from Marx, directly of Marx expressing the opinion that dialectics has validity not only in human history but in natural history. Maybe Marx was wrong, but those who are arguing the other side should say that th

M-TH: CPRF

1999-12-13 Thread Michael Pugliese
I'd like to be able to follow Russian scene, a little closer, esp. about the CPRF's follies as evidenced below. Any periodicals or e-mail lists come to mind? Michael Pugliese == RUSSIAN COMMUNIST WORKERS PARTY: The following dia

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread Rob Schaap
You've convinced me, John! I'm off to buy up big on E-Bay and Amazon - that should keep me in lager and tabs whilst I observe the natural transformation of capitalism into its one and only immanent other from my verandah. Bugger decades of penury in the reading room, eh? Cheers, Rob. >Hi, > >>

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-13 Thread Rob Schaap
Well, mebbe you're not as old as I am, John, but ten years ago the term 'great white hope' was still freely and widely used to describe anyone with a remote chance of reclaiming the title for whitedom. And twenty-five years ago, Ali rarely missing an opportunity to talk into all those mikes about

Re: M-TH: Historical vs Dialectical materialism.

1999-12-13 Thread J.WALKER
Hi, >From what I've read it I think that Marx just presumes that the dialective pervades both the physical natural world and its subset the human social world. He had read the ancient writers as we know from his dissertation (a work I haven't read, yet) and they certainly thought that the dialect

Re: M-TH: Ali BBC sportsperson of the century

1999-12-13 Thread J.WALKER
Chris actually wrote that: > One of the problems of a Gramscian concept of revolutionary change in a > developed capitalist society it what individual changes are significant, > however small. If Mohammad Ali was voted Sports personality of the century is really such a revolutionary change odd