M-TH: Re: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Rob Schaap
Quoth Michael, >Can't say I'm a very happy left social democrat, but in the >absence, of a mass, radical democratic left, I'll take working in the less >reality impaired precincts of the social democratic swamp. Well, at least I'm not as lonely a creature as I'd thought! Sad left-soc-dems of th

M-TH: Re: (Fwd) LM NEWS: The end of LM magazine

2000-03-29 Thread Rob Schaap
Commiserations, Jim! You're too bloody talented to stay out in the cold for long, I know. But I'd been enjoying those LM e-mails ... All the very best, comrade! --- from list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

M-TH: Re: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Michael P writes: >Can't say I'm a very happy left social democrat, Why ever not? >but in the absence, of a mass, radical democratic left, I'll take working >in the >less reality impaired precincts of the social democratic swamp. Try draining it. >At least they have read and thought and organ

M-TH: Re: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Rob Schaap
Just a quickie while I watch Australia play the Czecg Republic (the latter lead 1-0 just after half-time in a cracking good match), Thinking about Hugh and Doug's latest posts, it occurs to me that market socialism may actually play a part in the mass mobilisation process itself (should one come

Re: M-TH: Re: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Michael Pugliese
Whatta riot! Over on the DSA listserv, Doug is castigated as a "left authoritarian", here by Hugh Snodwell, as not a Bolshevik. The more I hang out in left cyberspace, the more I think, the left has so much more sloughing off the dogmatic formulaic, wanna be Party apparatchiks ala Hugh et. a

M-TH: Re: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Hugh Rodwell
>Hugh Rodwell wrote: > >>If market socialism is such an attractive alternative, and vastly to be >>preferred to party dicatatorships, and capable of arising more or less >>spontaneously in periods of mass mobilization, then why >> >>a) did it not arise spontaneously in the wake of the collapse of

Re: M-TH: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Hugh Rodwell wrote: >If market socialism is such an attractive alternative, and vastly to be >preferred to party dicatatorships, and capable of arising more or less >spontaneously in periods of mass mobilization, then why > >a) did it not arise spontaneously in the wake of the collapse of the Sov

M-TH: Market socialism & the 90s

2000-03-29 Thread Hugh Rodwell
If market socialism is such an attractive alternative, and vastly to be preferred to party dicatatorships, and capable of arising more or less spontaneously in periods of mass mobilization, then why a) did it not arise spontaneously in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, either there or

Re: M-TH: Re: Capital is wrong (production for sale, or not)

2000-03-29 Thread davidb
Youse might like to skim my article on planning/market called 'Marxism Deformed: the default into market socialism' which is on my webpage www.geocities.com/davebedggood. tho its now a few years old. I just mention it. Dave On 28 Mar 00, at 18:00, Hugh Rodwell wrote: > Rob huffs and puffs a bi