Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-05-30 Thread Ralph Dumain
Well, if you got my point (2), the rest shouldn't be so mysterious. ME openly admit they're not going to tackle directly either the natural sciences as an intellectual enterprise or their objects of study (laws of nature). At the same time they admit that's part of the picture, though they

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-05-30 Thread Steve Gabosch
I think these passages by Oudeyis 5/29 nicely capture some of the points we have been discussing. Below them I include some passages from the Ilyenkov book he refers to. on 5/29 Oudeyis said: ... there is no doubt that nature must also include that which is beyond the observed and acted upon

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] O, Dialectics!

2005-05-30 Thread Ralph Dumain
I do not understand the meaning of the three quotes from Ilyenkov. At 02:03 PM 5/30/2005 -0700, Steve Gabosch wrote: ... from my 1977 Progress edition, which I was lucky to get through the internet last year. I corrected a couple scanning errors from the MIA version. Copied