[Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-19 Thread Charles Brown
L Charles, A few thoughts on this post. (1) bourgeois ideology doesn't appear to exist as a 'closed' system in contemporary society, except perhaps among the political class and some reactionary groups. the general public doesn't appear ideological in the same sense; which is why answers to

[Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-19 Thread Charles Brown
jinigo _ It is quite true that natural science is not class struggle and is not partisan. ... But the class struggle does come into science, in social science. Albeit in his inverted idealist manner, Hegel was able to point out that this is not the case: Physics with its molecules and

[Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work: Politics and natural science

2006-03-19 Thread Charles Brown
Cornforth : 2. Misunderstandings about science and ideology At this point a comment may be made on certain misunderstandings which have been introduced into this topic, especially by Louis Althusser. These misunderstandings concern science and ideology. They come from posing an antithesis

[Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-17 Thread Charles Brown
[Marxism] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work Y Andrew wrote: Historical materialism correctly understood and applied is a science not an ideology. This is a very tight rope you are walking on Andrew. And I guess the issue deserves

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-17 Thread Ralph Dumain
The problem here is that ideology has a variety of competing meanings within and without the marxist tradition. It's a long and complex history. See my ideology study guide: http://www.autodidactproject.org/guidideo.html Raymond Guess, for example, divides the differing meanings of the term

[Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-17 Thread Charles Brown
I have only one quibble here: The necessity to overthrow capitalism, establish the dictatorship of theproletariat and advance through socialism to communism is a fact. It is not really a fact, unless 'necessity' means not urgency, but an objective historical law whose timetable can be tweaked

[Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-17 Thread Charles Brown
Yes, just one point of order. This is _Cornforth's_ use of ideology ,not my use of ideology. I'm more interested in his analysis of the relationship between objectivity and partisanship. I'm not signing on to his use of ideology, and don't have to in order to discuss objectivity and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Partisanship and Objectivity in Theoretical Work

2006-03-17 Thread jinigo
It is quite true that natural science is not class struggle and is not partisan. ... But the class struggle does come into science, in social science. Albeit in his inverted idealist manner, Hegel was able to point out that this is not the case: “Physics with its molecules and particles