Re: [marxmail] Moderator's note 2

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I think it's still a good rule to stick with. When a person's name is in the subject heading, their name is all over the internet, comes up in searches. And since it is often done in tense arguments, something that doesn't look good might be one of the first things found in a search. If you search

Re: [marxmail] Moderator's note 2

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[marxmail] Washington Postal Workers Defy USPS Orders And Reinstall Mail Sorting Machines

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Re: [marxmail] Reflections on the DSA Experience

While it doesn't apply to this article per se,there are people who join the DSA,because there are no other socialist groups,or parties,where they live,even if they don't agree with the practice of joining borgeois parties,some of the more prominent DSA members advocate. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] Reflections on the DSA Experience

A point of clarification: the AfroSocialist caucus did not cancel (or "force" the cancellation) of the Reed appearance. It asked that the appearance be converted to a debate. In response, Reed pulled out. Here is a link to the Afro-Soc Facebook post, which includes a link to the statement. https:

Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

Given the massive amounts of corporate funding,that has been pouring into BLM,even before the George Floyd killing happened,I suspect wecan see BLM becoming more conservative,more a part of the nonprofit industrial complex,much the same way some of the more radical environmental groups did in th

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

My thoughts exactly.I suspect much of the patriotism on the part of the poor and working class,this article speaks of is due to such right wing brainwashing.As this article suggests.such indoctrination stifles any class conciousness,which is exactly the way the ruling class wants it.Trump,the G

Re: [marxmail] Moderator's note 2

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[marxmail] Mike et al:

I can see our positions differ, and inevitably there is subjectivism in such analyses. In answer to your questions, I wish I could say. I admit to being retired for a few years. So any answer regarding BLM would be speculative. I have one friend who is more conservative than I who acknowledges

[marxmail] my latest

>From Comrade H. Bruce Franklin -- - From: H. Bruce FRANKLIN https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/21/which-side-are-you-on-4/ -- H. Bruce Franklin The John Cotton Dana Professor of English and American Studies, Rutgers-Newark, Emeritus "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is,

Re: [marxmail] Again, back to Mike

I sure wish I agreed 100% with Peter's last sentence --- certainly there was evidence of that in the CIO organizing --- My overall point being: While these differences are real, and that > Socialist Equality Party point of advocacy that class is the only issue is > simply wrong, we have more in c

Re: [marxmail] Thanx Les Schaffer-John A Imani

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Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

In an interview in The Guardian, Howie Hawkins said that a good showing for his green/socialist party would be five percent: “That qualifies us for a public campaign financing grant for the general election  in 2024 for president. If we got to 5% there’d be about $20m at least waiting for our p

[marxmail] Marxism, housing and rent

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Re: [marxmail] Reflections on the DSA Experience

My experience with organizations large enough to have committees, or working groups, is that the committees do specific work and then report back to the main group. They're not supposed to make their own policy. With DSA, it doesn't look like they function that way. Take the case of the AFROSOC

[marxmail] Again, back to Mike

I don't disagree with anything you've written, but think that some of racism and sexism is not as heartfelt as assumed, at least among the white workers I knew. Just two examples: My first career was at sea. I was in the Sailors' Union of the Pacific, a classically racist industrial union, and t

Re: [marxmail] Moderator's note 2

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Re: [marxmail] Back to Mike Meeropol

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Re: [marxmail] Back to Mike Meeropol

THoughts on Peter's post --- I put "white" in front of working class to distinguish those folks who are more susceptible to racist infection than the rest of the multi-racial, multi-cultural working class --- The point is that there are countless examples of class unity being disrupted --- (someti

[marxmail] Reflections on the DSA Experience

Within DSA most specific movement issues are the responsibility of “working groups” which do not necessarily coordinate activities with the organization as a whole. The result, as in the case of the Climate Strike, was that a small contingent (perhaps 20-30) of DSAers marched together as members of

[marxmail] Back to Mike Meeropol

I have to admit some ignorance at trimming extraneous text. I've done that with forwards, but not with replies. Anyway, I wanted to make a point to Mike, and more indirectly to Sonje: The word "white" has been interjected before "working class", and this is potentially significant. Those of us

[marxmail] Jeffrey Epstein’s Intellectual Enabler | The New Republic

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[marxmail] We Need a Politics That Is Not Only Class-Focused, but Class-Rooted

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Re: [marxmail] Search on new site MM

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[marxmail] How Marxmail 1.0 got cancelled | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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[marxmail] Search on new site MM

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[marxmail] Moderator's note 2

In the list that preceded this one, we had 3 rules: 1. Try to limit yourself to 5 posts a day. 2. Clip extraneous text. 3. Attachments not permitted (graphics, pdf's, etc.) Les and I decided to eliminate #3 because it was originally intended to prevent malware and because it originally reflec

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

Peter of course makes a good point -- I don't think the white working class is actually "pro-capitalist" but they are definitely anti-communist which includes being anti-socialist (I think it's mostly younger people who have a relatively favorable view of "socialism" --- whatever that actually mean

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

I have spent my entire life in the working class too - just not the American working class :-) Sonje > On Aug 22, 2020, at 13:06, Peter Turner wrote: > > Sonje seems to make assumptions that others might not share. As someone who > spent his entire adult life in the working class, I can say

Re: [marxmail] Supporting the Postal Service.

I'm very leery of the national campaign described in workerpoet's posting. What does "organized resistance' by postal workers actually mean? And what will organizers of this campaign do if the government engages in reprisals against postal workers who participate in this campaign? I don't trust

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

They are”quite proud" because they’ve been lied to. They believe all sorts of untrue things about their country and are ignorant of all sorts of true things about their country. I am not opposed to patriotism as ’shared destiny', but American patriotism is both ignorant and dangerous. I also do

[marxmail] Supporting the Postal Service.

Beyond today's Protest, Postal workers are organized and together have power.   I called APWU president Mark Diamonstein  -- (202) 842-4250 and left a message asking for organized resistance to De Joys destructive orders. I urge as many of us as possible -- a national call in campaign -- to pres

Re: [marxmail] Moderator's note

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[marxmail] H-Net Review [H-Slavery]: Muhammad on Christopher, 'Freedom in White and Black: A Lost Story of the Illegal Slave Trade and Its Global Legacy'

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[marxmail] Posthuman Fascism - Los Angeles Review of Books

OVER THE PAST several years, if not decades, ghosts of fascism have escaped their 20th-century crypts and come to haunt our present. With the global COVID-19 pandemic, however, we face the prospect of our “Reichstag Fire” moment. The fire was an arson attack on the German legislature exactly fo

Re: [marxmail] Moderator's note

Good advice. Also amusing. On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:18 AM Louis Proyect wrote: > The exchange between Max Power and workerpoet has gone on too long. When > two people bang away repetitively, it becomes more like social media. I > strongly recommend staying within five posts a day. There is no li

[marxmail] Moderator's note

The exchange between Max Power and workerpoet has gone on too long. When two people bang away repetitively, it becomes more like social media. I strongly recommend staying within five posts a day. There is no limit to the amount of words that you use, unlike Twitter. Collect your thoughts, sit

Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

"- deep disappointment from most of the Left along with self-disgust at having helped elect them" Most of the actual left have no expectations of progress from Biden or Harris. We know who they are but we also understand that Trump is a greater danger. The idea is to defeat Trump and to continu

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

[Edited Message Follows] And its not so much geography but class -- sadly a large segment our American working class, especially in rural areas has been dumbed down, alienated and  brainwashed by, right-wing evangelics, FOX, talk radio -- the legacy of Roger Ailes. ( https://almarkowitz.blogsp

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

[Edited Message Follows] And its not so much geography but class -- sadly a large segment our American working class, especially in rural areas has been dumbed down, alienated and  brainwashed by FOX, talk radio -- the legacy of Roger Ailes. ( https://almarkowitz.blogspot.com/2018/11/divided-an

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

And its not so much geography but class -- sadly our American working class has been largely brainwashed by FOX, talk radio -- the legacy of Roger Ailes. ( https://almarkowitz.blogspot.com/2018/11/divided-and-conquered-roger-and-us.html ) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all

Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

> > I am not saying we should not participate in bourgeois elections,I am > saying we ought to apply the standards Lenin wrote about one hundred years > ago,to the parties we support.Are they a party of the working class?Are > they working to support,and build,class conciousness?If not,then why sho

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

Yet there are so many heavily conservative coastal towns and cities . . . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#686): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/686 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76346454/21656 -=-=- POSTING RUL

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

[Edited Message Follows] I think the "coastal elites" narrative is a product of the right-wing disinformaton machine and is without merit.  Capitalism, on the level of major corporations and their constoria, are global and have no patriotism no matter their geographic location.  Progressive wor

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

I think the "coastal elites" narrative is a product of the right-wing disinformaton machine and is without merit.  Capitalism, on the level of major corporations and their constoria, are global and have no patriotism no matter their geographic location.  Progressive workers are not lmited to the

Re: [marxmail] The Case for a Left Patriotism

Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Do I as a Marxist hate my country? No. I hate the abuse and destruction of my country and class by the bourgeoisie. As Marxists we are *Internationalists* , Rather than shallow patriotism, we are Matriots -- loyal to the planet and biosphere of which

[marxmail] The Literature of White Liberalism | Boston Review

There is a long tradition of white people thinking they can read their way out of trouble. Examples abound, from sentimental novels like Harriet Beecher Stowe’s anti-slavery/Uncle Tom’s Cabin/(1852)—which engaged white antebellum readers through appeals to sympathy and Christian sentiment—to so

[marxmail] Jerry Falwell Jr. and the Evangelical Redemption Story | by Elizabeth Spiers | The New York Review of Books

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[marxmail] Interview: Transphobia and resistance | Socialist Review

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[marxmail] Innovation Hub | Great Minds, Great Conversations | Why Fast Fashion Might Need To Slow Down

Americans buy, on average, almost70 items of clothing a year. And many of those garments are worn justseven to ten

[marxmail] From Ukraine with Comparison: Emerging Notes on Belarus | Lefteast

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[marxmail] WHO Director-General Attacked on Twitter with CCP-Related Memes - bellingcat

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO), tweets daily out of WHO headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. But within minutes of many of his tweets going live, he is flooded with personal attacks, memes, and slurs. While social networks like Twitter s

[marxmail] A Marxist theory of inflation | Michael Roberts Blog

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Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

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Re: [marxmail] Why China Isn't Capitalist (Despite the Pink Ferraris) – Spectre Journal

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Re: [marxmail] The Biden Era Will Put the New Left to the Test | The New Republic

I just thought I might point out something here.When communists or socialists support center right,capitalist parties,like the Democrats,it only gives fuel to the argument from the right,that the Democrats are a communist,or socialist party. I am not saying we should not participate in bourgeoi