Andrew Stewart wrote
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> In the Grundrisse , which was only published in 1939 in Moscow and in
> English in 1973 by Vintage, has a direct mention of American slavery as a
> form of capitalism, throwing to the wind the claim by Post, Eugene
> Genovese, et. al. that the South was a feudal economy.
On 2/5/21 5:58 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
But Louis, WHY did India, etc. NOT develop the British style
capitalist mode of production? Because it was militarily too weak to
create its own domestic version of capitalism --- unlike, for example,
Japan which reacted to Admiral Perry's ships by
Louis' point is very interesting --- It follows Gunder Frank's (and
Immanuel Wallerstein's) world systems approach --- the idea of course is
that from the very beginning Capitalism thrived and existed BECAUSE it had
other sections of the world to exploit (super-exploit) which actually made
it easie
I know that this is a bit contrary to the conventional wisdom/inherited
progressive wisdom that dates back at least to the Gilded Age with the Beards
but, as I understand it from Richard Lobban, we can't really talk accurately
about capitalism worldwide without honestly acknowledging that the sy
On 2/5/21 12:04 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote:
In response to Tristanthis is the old dispute as to whether
capitalism can be defined as production for markets rather than as a
relationship between people at the point of production.
I wouldn't put it that way exactly. For me, the main distinct
In response to Tristanthis is the old dispute as to whether capitalism
can be defined as production for markets rather than as a relationship
between people at the point of production.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 11:55 AM Tristan Sloughter
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> Were the goods produced not sold on the same intern
On Fri, Feb 5, 2021, at 08:56, Michael Meeropol wrote:
> view of the slave power as retarding the development of American capitalism
> and their strong belief that the victory of the North would be a progressive
> step forward (in keeping with Marx's view that capitalism had an "historic
> missi
Thanks Alan --- It appears that at least some of the Grundrisse was written
close (iin years) to the period when Marx and Engels were corresponding re
the American Civil War --- Unless my memory of that correspondence is
totally off base, there appears to be a contradiction between the assertion
th
Michael Meeropol asked: " what years was Marx working on the Grundrisse?"
>From the Marxists Internet Archive:
Written: 1857–61
A "Note on the Text" states:
Marx wrote this huge manuscript as part of his preparation for what would
become A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy (
ht
this is not a rhetorical question --- what years was Marx working on the
Grundrisse? Because his and Engels' exchanges around the Civil War seemed
to indicate he and Engels thought the "slave power" was a hindrance to the
development of capitalism in the US ...
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 8:51 PM And
In the Grundrisse , which was only published in 1939 in Moscow and in English
in 1973 by Vintage, has a direct mention of American slavery as a form of
capitalism, throwing to the wind the claim by Post, Eugene Genovese, et. al.
that the South was a feudal economy.
"The fact that we now not onl
My favorite treatment of the slave mode of production (he doesn't use this
terminology) is Gavin Wright's THE POLITICAL ECONOMY OF THE COTTON SOUTH
--- His analysis of the so-called "greater productivity" of the slave
plantation a la Fogel and Engerman is that the CROP MIX of corn (and other
foodst
On 2/4/21 9:31 AM, Alan Ginsberg wrote:
Genovese's "The World The Slaveholders Made" is an excellent source
for his views on the issues being discussed here. I think it's well
worth reading, whether or not you agree with his conclusions.
from http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/origins/post1.
Genovese's "The World The Slaveholders Made" is an excellent source for his
views on the issues being discussed here. I think it's well worth reading,
whether or not you agree with his conclusions.
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I dunno Louis --- Genovese may have become a reactionary shit by the end of
his life but his work in ROLL JORDAN ROLL indicates a very different
"relationship between people at the point of production" (=mode of
production) than capitalism. (and if you don't like Genovese, Blassingame
THE SLAVE CO
On 2/4/21 7:40 AM, Louis Proyect wrote:
I accept that Cedric Robinson's analysis of Richard Wright might be
wrong but there are larger theoretical questions involved. In my view,
Post's argument that American slavery was "pre-capitalist" in the 19th
century is egregiously wrong.
I should add
On 2/4/21 6:57 AM, Dayne Goodwin wrote:
Can we expect to see some reformers fighting valiantly against "racial
capitalism" (carefully implying that capitalism can outlast racial
capitalism) just as i've watched decades of reformers fighting to save
capitalism from neoliberalism?
I accept th
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:58 AM Louis Proyect wrote:
> Since Ramsey's article is a close reading of Robinson's "Black Marxism"
that I have not read in its entirety, I'll have to bracket > it out.
. . .
I haven't read Robinson's "Black Marxism" either. I think i still
benefited from Ramsey's cr
My apologies for perhaps being a bit of a skunk at the picnic --- I will
not specifically respond to the various postings from various comrades but
instead state very simply what I believe the evidence shows ---
All the discussion about the Reconquista (the effects of which did not end
in 1492 wit
> Thanks to the comrades who've correctly cited alternative examples of when
> and how racism was constructed.
>
Another needed corrective: examples of countries and/or industries in which
capital did not rely primarily on race to structure its labor force.
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On 2/3/21 12:40 PM, Mark Lause wrote:
There certainly were particularly racist ideas in the 15th through
17th centuries (or earlier), but scholars have made a compelling
argument that "race" remained a fluid concept.
Mark won't be surprised that I am a lot tougher on Post than most
people. F
I don't share Charlie's view of the antebellum Southern labor system as
pre-capitalist, but I think he's making an important point here . . .
though I may be missing some nuance of difference here.
There certainly were particularly racist ideas in the 15th through 17th
centuries (or earlier), but
On 2/2/21 11:58 AM, Louis Proyect wrote:
On 2/2/21 7:19 AM, Dayne Goodwin wrote:
What do you think of this? -
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM Jim Farmelant wrote:
Sifting the “Stony Soil” of Black Marxism: Cedric Robinson, Richard
Wright, and Ellipses of the Black Radical Tradition
https://w
On 2/2/21 7:19 AM, Dayne Goodwin wrote:
What do you think of this? -
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM Jim Farmelant wrote:
Sifting the “Stony Soil” of Black Marxism: Cedric Robinson, Richard
Wright, and Ellipses of the Black Radical Tradition
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/088543
What do you think of this? -
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:26 AM Jim Farmelant wrote:
>
Sifting the “Stony Soil” of Black Marxism: Cedric Robinson, Richard
Wright, and Ellipses of the Black Radical Tradition
> https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08854300.2020.1862559?fbclid=IwAR1EpJqmm_L5yF
By Robin D.G. Kelley
The inspiration to bring out a new edition of Cedric Robinson’s
classic,/Black Marxism: The Making of the Black Radical Tradition/, came
from the estimated 26 million people who took to the streets during the
spring and summer of 2020 to protest the killings of George Floy
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