Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread G Mann
Life span for a solar panel by industry standard is 25 years, which translates to mean, the panel will produce rated power at the rated amount of sunlight, for 25 years without degradation. For an off grid solar system to work, you need a battery bank, inverter, etc.. all the ash and trash that

Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

2014-03-23 Thread Max Dillon
A running engine would also provide compression gas forces pushing the plug out to encourage them along... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Sent: March 23, 2014 2:28:06 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread Dan Penoff
Exactly. Down here (Florida) has a bit of an issue for solar, as the majority of our consumption for maybe 8 months of the year is for cooling, which is a nasty big consumer of power. While I'm not familiar with solar systems, I have done a lot of work with inverters, battery banks and

Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank

2014-03-23 Thread Max Dillon
Propane burner. Owner uses it to boil peanut or fry turkey. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: March 23, 2014 11:16:43 AM EDT To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank What is the

Re: [MBZ] My new hot dip tank

2014-03-23 Thread Max Dillon
I do still have the top, but a tub is far more useful to me. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: March 23, 2014 11:28:04 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] My new

Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst re: price

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
well, i can send you a pic i actually don't screw up any orders On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:20 PM, G. M. Brown g_010...@hotmail.com wrote: Gary, Since the dear/departed Rusty managed to screw up so many of my orders (guess who got the blame for that?), I had gotten in the habit of sending a

Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
curmudgeon is MUCH better than PIA. look it up On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Curmudgeon is a grump. I am anything but that. I can be a PIA - take it from the source. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
fresh market has some higher end merchandise than publix. they seem to mostly cater to yuppies who don't want to cook so they buy pre-made food. not the place for me whole foods is my kind of place when it comes to higher end stores On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
it's there now. chevettes used to sell for 300 bucks. now i see 2500 being asked for them all the time On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: So that begs the question: at what point does the scarcity of a crappy vehicle (e.g., a Chevette) translate

Re: [MBZ] Food, was Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Dan Penoff
That makes sense. Never been in one before, so I know little of them. Around here Publix pushes the meals to go thing pretty hard. My oldest son used to be one of their food demonstrators before we moved out of state, and they set that whole thing up in the stores to catch people when they

Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Nah never liked em, however speaking of sad, the rolling stones where due to play here last weekend, however obviously they cancelled but the sad thing is that some selfish creeps where demanding that they should have played. Hendrik who did not have tickets but saw the stones in 95 On

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Thanks to some of the smart folk here, I know have a better understanding of torque, insofar that torque is the force that starts a rotation and I am guessing horse power is what sustains that rotation. I have never been 100% onto understanding the difference between torque and HP, I have

Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

2014-03-23 Thread Jon Agne
I don;t need to look in a dictionary. I AVOID PIA’s….curmudgeons…I can deal with. Jon On Mar 23, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: curmudgeon is MUCH better than PIA. look it up On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Nah you don't want grandpas old lamer vehicle, you want an excitement machine with AMG enhancements http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Mercedes-Benz-190E-1985/SSE-AD-2704701/?Cr=5sdmvc=1 WARNING pictures in that ad may offend and cause illness and vomiting, please consult your physician

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: Put a sock on it, all three of you. Well... Dieselhead, HF, Randy - we got a hohum okiebenz again, eh? Just what everyone wanted - boring, staid, predictable, polite, kinder - just like the kinder and gentler list mao ___

Re: [MBZ] ADMIN

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Kaleb wrote: 1. No PERSONAL attacks 2. Respect your fellow list member on list 3. No profanity Crispy pancakes, please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] Cats driving

2014-03-23 Thread John Reames
Wow. That's a high performance kitty! Is there a super sport badge on its shoulder ;) ?? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 23, 2014, at 18:07, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: http://i62.tinypic.com/nw0njo.jpg Cats? Bet your cat can't do

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Dan Penoff
Of which you are a member of as well. No way there would ever be dissent there - pooferator! Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:01 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: Put a sock on it, all three of you. Well... Dieselhead, HF, Randy - we got a hohum

Re: [MBZ] Way OnT: Mercedes Furniture restoration questions

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Speaking of timber restos, I found my old bit of timber for the 124 that used to be between the front seats, I got a better one a few years back but it's starting to get a bit sad now too, so I am thinking about having a go restoring my old zebrano one (looked at getting a Euro burlwood set

[MBZ] Om606 injector well cleaning

2014-03-23 Thread John Reames
With the 4 valve per cylinder DOHC design of the om606, the injectors sit down between the cam shafts in a deep well; clearance around the injector is pretty tight (maybe 1/8 at the narrowest). When the bypass hoses start weeping, the wells will fill up with diesel fuel. I found a novel way

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik and Fay wrote: Nah you don't want grandpas old lamer vehicle, you want an excitement machine with AMG enhancements http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Mercedes-Benz-190E-1985/SSE-AD-2704701/?Cr=5sdmvc=1 The rear spoiler (not to mention the front fender gills) is totally wrong,

Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

2014-03-23 Thread John Reames
But the pressure outward doesn't do much to help with binding of rotation... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Mar 23, 2014, at 18:48, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: A running engine would also provide compression gas forces pushing

Re: [MBZ] List Destructor

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Ahh well, I'll have to go back to winging about people not trimming their posts. Unless the cease fire is broken. Hendrik who is needing to focus on some officework On 24/03/14 10:33, Dan Penoff wrote: Of which you are a member of as well. No way there would ever be dissent there -

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

2014-03-23 Thread toms cat1
Hendrik, My personal favorite: Understeer is when you hit the wall with the FRONT of the car; oversteer is when you hit the wall with the REAR of the car;Horsepower is how FAST you hit the wall; and torque is how far you MOVE the wall.Hope this helps.:)Tom

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Gary wrote: so what is left to do? be boring be polite be kind be boring be boring be boring mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Not sure but I think you can buy 'AMG' body kits off ebay (along with all the other junk on that car) I mentioned over at OzBenz that this could have been made into a nice looking car with that spoiler kit in the right colour but that green colour does not lend itself to looking sporty. Even a

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Hey I thought you where supposed to be busy reworking the education system so it spews out innovative and non boring people. Get to it. Hendrik who is supposed to be doing book work On 24/03/14 10:53, Mountain Man wrote: Gary wrote: so what is left to do? be boring be polite be kind be

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
HF wrote: Hey I thought you where supposed to be busy reworking the education system... Nah. I leave that for Dan to administer in his professional position. More boring. Uniformity, not diversity or catastrophic. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Greg wrote: Actually not true. According to the US Energy Information Admin. only 37% of US electricity was produced from coal in 2012. Okay. Add 35% as nuke, and you need another 30% from other sources, which makes coal the most, no? mao ___

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: Of which you are a member of as well. Yep. But I read more here. And I despise the downfall of banned. banned originally was never boring banned is currently dead - totally look to society to understand why - too numerous to fully enumerate but much of what is around us every day is

Re: [MBZ] List Destructor

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
HF wrote: Ahh well, I'll have to go back to winging about people not trimming their posts. Also, lets beotch about the new disclaimer at the bottom of each post. What a PIA. Or, is that disclaimer a curmudgeon... mao All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Dwight Giles
Well i don't know about your life or anyone else's but I don't need a list with mean posts political and social rants to keep my life from being boring.. Enuff said as I realize i might be in the minority. Windmill tilting off. I am waiting for final installment on the OM606 GP saga On Mar 23,

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Jim wrote: There is no _power_ at... ...electrons at pressure... There are No Electrons ISBN-13: 978-0962781599 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread WILTON
Where IS that barf bag when I need it? Wilt - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201 Hendrik and Fay wrote: Nah you don't want

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread Greg Fiorentino
63% of electricity (as of 2012) in the US comes from energy sources other than coal. Andrew said that Most electricity is generated from coal. I expect that the use of coal as a % of energy source has declined a bit since 2012. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] A Sad Day, Indeed....

2014-03-23 Thread Michael Canfield
Dennis is a genious. He recently opened the DAMM Park.(Dennis Anderson's Muddy Motorsports Park) for a place for the locals to play. His signature is destruction, big money destruction and it makes him very wealthy. Mike On Mar 23, 2014 2:17 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Right up

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Need to break down other than coal into its various components for a meaningful comparison. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: 63% of electricity (as of 2012) in the US comes from energy sources other than coal. Andrew said that Most electricity is

Re: [MBZ] Way OnT: Mercedes Furniture restoration questions

2014-03-23 Thread Jim Cathey
As you may know the finish on these is pretty thick but right now the first step is to get that thick layer of varnish off the wood. Maybe a chisel? Whatever that stuff is it's _tough_. I tried some paint stripper on one, it laughed it off. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

2014-03-23 Thread Jim Cathey
in a simplistic fashion, that torque gets you there and HP keeps you there. My favorite simplistic is that, in a practical automotive sense, torque is acceleration, and horsepower is top speed. More torque is _way_ better than more horsepower --- and my 200D proves it. I'm sure our 190D 2.5 is

Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Furniture restoration questions

2014-03-23 Thread Jim Cathey
On the under side of the table (unfinished) the PO's kids had a field day(s) writing with crayons and/or colored ball point pen ink. How do I remove these? Scraper? (The old woodworking blade kind that peels fine shavings off of a surface.) Anything solventy will probably drive the color

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Dan Penoff
I don't work in education any more. It's up to others to sort that out now. I have moved on to county government. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: HF wrote: Hey I thought you where supposed to be busy reworking the education

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Dan Penoff
I hate to point out the obvious, but if you don't like it you can always unsubscribe. I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but if this list is no better than the others you describe, why are you still on them? Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Mountain Man

Re: [MBZ] Food, was Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
you will see that fresh market is all about their precooked department. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That makes sense. Never been in one before, so I know little of them. Around here Publix pushes the meals to go thing pretty hard. My oldest son used

Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
this is the point i am making. curmudgeon is a powerful positive social force that creates order. PIA is no such thing On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I don;t need to look in a dictionary. I AVOID PIA'scurmudgeons...I can deal with. Jon On Mar 23,

Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-23 Thread Craig
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:15:35 -0500 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Many Chevettes were sacrificed in the 1980s to provide donor parts for pickups that are now long since rusted away (and were probably already rustier at the time of the engine swaps than the Chevettes their new engines

Re: [MBZ] List Destructor

2014-03-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Hahahaha. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Ahh well, I'll have to go back to winging about people not trimming their posts. Unless the cease fire is broken. Hendrik who is needing to focus on some officework On 24/03/14

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well if Gary and the crew would fight it out on banned, they could all have at it all they want and we would get a good show. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: Of which you are a member of as well. Yep. But I read more

[MBZ] Michigan Meetup

2014-03-23 Thread Craig
I sent out an email before I came here to Indiana about meeting up with the guys in Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan. Mitch was the only one who responded. We met this evening at Turkeyville in Marshall, Michigan. The four of us, Mitch, Brianna, Shirley, and I, sat for a couple of hours talking

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Mao is just being is usually self. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I hate to point out the obvious, but if you don't like it you can always unsubscribe. I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but if this list is no better than the others

Re: [MBZ] Michigan Meetup

2014-03-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Cool, send pics Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I sent out an email before I came here to Indiana about meeting up with the guys in Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan. Mitch was the only one who responded. We met this evening at

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
i endorse dan penoff as moderator. i am confident that he will call the game honestly and censure ALL who violate the agreed upon terms. it is such a simple and obvious solution that i feel i was remiss in never having told dan tell kaleb you'd like to be moderater it just never came to my

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
i think you are mistaken, gordon. order is required here or the list will not survive in any form On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: Of which you are a member of as well. Yep. But I read more here. And I despise the downfall of banned.

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Gary Hurst
i think dan restores balance to the force. i am relieved that i can now focus on being chowdah king On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Well i don't know about your life or anyone else's but I don't need a list with mean posts political and social

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Rick Knoble
Wise words from Jabba, the Chowdah King.

Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Dan is clearly much smarter than me and I am glad you approve. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i endorse dan penoff as moderator. i am confident that he will call the game honestly and censure ALL who violate the agreed upon terms.

[MBZ] Torque

2014-03-23 Thread Frederick Moir
in a simplistic fashion, that torque gets you there and HP keeps you  there. My favorite demonstration of torque is when you wake up in the morning with a stiffy and you just have to go pee right now. In order to hit the bowl you have to push it down with some force and this lifts your heels

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread OK Don
In the pocket of the seat back in front of you ? On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Where IS that barf bag when I need it? Wilt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that

Re: [MBZ] List Destruction

2014-03-23 Thread Mountain Man
Rick wrote: Wise words from Jabba, the Chowdah King. Absolutely!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread WILTON
Actually, I've flown very little and driven never with a seat back in front of me. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201 In

Re: [MBZ] 240D Alert! Or a sexy 201

2014-03-23 Thread OK Don
OK. I find that I don't get motion sickness when I'm doing the flying or driving, it's when someone else is that I might get sick . . . On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Actually, I've flown very little and driven never with a seat back in front of me. ;)

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