Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-04 Thread Craig
On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:14:03 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > For that matter, I only de-oiled when I found traces of oil in the > reservoir. Otherwise I went right to the citric acid. That's what I have done in the past, too, but the paper 61x engine manual I have says, Attention! Prio

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-04 Thread Dan Penoff
You're looking for something similar to TSP for de-oiling. I would go with the front loader detergent (I seem to recall the mention of Tide somewhere as well) rather than dish washing detergent, which is somewhat caustic and can damage aluminum. For that matter, I only de-oiled when I found tra

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-04 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
I use a "free and clear" HE laundry soap... it works well and doesn't foam up. I'd guess lots of options are ok, just rinse throughly! Jaime On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Craig wrote: > So what kind of cleanser/detergent does one use with an aluminum > radiator? The manual says "neutral" an

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Rick Knoble
>> Craig wrote: >> >> Well, the zip file is 13 megabytes. The unzipped directory is >> 39 megabytes, so zipping does compress it. I'm not quite sure >> how to send it to you. (If I were at the Lab, I could send an >> email that was 100,000,000 bytes, but not here at home.) > Found it. http://

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:31 PM, "Craig" wrote: > Well, the zip file is 13 megabytes. The unzipped directory is 39 > megabytes, so zipping does compress it. I'm not quite sure how to send it > to you. If it's Philip's that is the one I have already. I used to know of a site to transfer large files

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Craig
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:15:42 -0500 Fmiser wrote: > > Craig wrote: > > > > Well, the zip file is 13 megabytes. The unzipped directory is > > 39 megabytes, so zipping does compress it. I'm not quite sure > > how to send it to you. (If I were at the Lab, I could send an > > email that was 100,000,00

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Fmiser
> > Rick Knoble wrote: > > > > I just searched for "flush" in the subject lines. Your > > archives appear to be WAY more complete than mine. I do > > remember reading those posts when they were posted, but I > > don't have them archived. If you could send me your zip file > > offlist that would be

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Craig
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:24:34 -0500 Rick Knoble wrote: > On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:13 PM, "Craig" wrote: > > > Silly me, I was looking for RADIATOR flush, not CITRIC flush. > > > > I found that posting, as well as another which says, > > > I just searched for "flush" in the subject lines. Your arc

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:13 PM, "Craig" wrote: > Regarding removing the thermostat or using one that's been forced open, > the Service Manual, Engines 615, 616, 617.91, says in Section 20-015 to > remove the thermostat. The W124 manual, however, in Section 20-0150 says > to remove the thermostat and

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jul 3, 2012, at 10:13 PM, "Craig" wrote: > Silly me, I was looking for RADIATOR flush, not CITRIC flush. > > I found that posting, as well as another which says, I just searched for "flush" in the subject lines. Your archives appear to be WAY more complete than mine. I do remember reading

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Craig
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:41:42 -0700 Rick Knoble wrote: > From a Marshall post. > Subject: Re: [DIESEL] Citric flushFrom: Marshall Booth +@pitt.edu>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:54:06 -0400The citric acid fluid > is to remove mineral deposits. To de-oil (that's a DIFFERENT procedure) > the engine a dis

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Rick Knoble
> Craig wrote: > I unzipped the archive of Marshall's emails that I have and found nothing > on the subject. > > Maybe the "Allens Naturally HE Biodegradable Liquid Laundry Detergent" we > have for our front-loader would do the job. >From a Marshall post. Subject: Re: [DIESEL] Citric flushFrom:

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Craig
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:37:42 -0700 David Bruckmann wrote: > I'd be cautious with automatic dishwasher detergent: it is caustic and > difficult to rinse off vs. laundry detergent. You do NOT want ANY > detergent residue. IIRC, Marshall's favourite was liquid cold-water > Tide HE (low-sudsing for fr

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Dave Walton
What about straight TSP? -Dave Walton On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:37 PM, David Bruckmann wrote: > I'd be cautious with automatic dishwasher detergent: it is caustic and > difficult to rinse off vs. laundry detergent. You do NOT want ANY detergent > residue. IIRC, Marshall's favourite was liquid col

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 3, 2012 4:37 PM, "David Bruckmann" wrote: > > IIRC, Marshall's favourite was liquid > cold-water Tide HE (low-sudsing for > front-loading washing machines). I think you're right, at that. But I'd probably just use Simple Green since I use it to degrease pretty much everything unless the n

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Allan Streib
Dishwasher detergent has a lot of bleach in it, not sure that's necessary. To de-oil I'd favor non-sudsy ammonia. Or maybe simple green? David Bruckmann writes: > I'd be cautious with automatic dishwasher detergent: it is caustic and > difficult to rinse off vs. laundry detergent. You do NOT

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread David Bruckmann
I'd be cautious with automatic dishwasher detergent: it is caustic and difficult to rinse off vs. laundry detergent. You do NOT want ANY detergent residue. IIRC, Marshall's favourite was liquid cold-water Tide HE (low-sudsing for front-loading washing machines). Dave Walton wrote: > >I've been

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 3, 2012 2:46 PM, "Dave Walton" wrote: > > I've been using automatic dishwasher > detergent. > IIRC Marshall recommended Cascade! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.c

Re: [MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Dave Walton
I've been using automatic dishwasher detergent. It's a good non-sudzing degreaser. -Dave Walton On Jul 3, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Craig wrote: > So what kind of cleanser/detergent does one use with an aluminum > radiator? The manual says "neutral" and gives some German brands, > but that doesn't he

[MBZ] De-oiling before citric acid flush

2012-07-03 Thread Craig
So what kind of cleanser/detergent does one use with an aluminum radiator? The manual says "neutral" and gives some German brands, but that doesn't help too much here in the U.S. What kind of stuff should one use? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com Fo