Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
PAG is a sponge. And I believe it reacts with water to form acids. AFAIK, R12 compatible oils aren't particularly hygroscopic. Mitch. > On December 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Dan asks: > > >‎Any reason why one couldn’t use >compressor oil rather than mineral

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
I'll do my best not to brake it. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 2, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > Don't loose the bolt while loosing the bolt! > > --FT > >> On 12/1/16 10:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> You have to have a clutch holding tool to hol

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Don't loose the bolt while loosing the bolt! --FT On 12/1/16 10:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: You have to have a clutch holding tool to hold it from turning while loosing the bolt Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Other than sna

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
It's coming out. Not something I would attempt in-frame. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I do believe that, with the special tool, it is possible to R&R the clutch > and the front seal, leaving the compressor mounted in the car. Bes

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I do believe that, with the special tool, it is possible to R&R the clutch and the front seal, leaving the compressor mounted in the car. Best done with a lift of course, but in a pinch I'd do that using ramps under the front wheels and working in my driveway. Verify this idea independently befor

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Maybe your strap wrench is better than my cheapo Hazard Fraught strap wrench? Maybe I hadn't splurged on the strap wrench ten years ago? I dunno, it's all a blur now, I spent one frenzied night trying to R&R the compressor with an overhaul planned while out, couldn't get the old clutch off becaus

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-02 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I do. It’s called a strap wrench. Dan > On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > You have to have a clutch holding tool to hold it from turning while loosing > the bolt > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You have to have a clutch holding tool to hold it from turning while loosing the bolt Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Other than snap ring pliers I didn’t see anything shown that was required to > remove the clutch. Did I miss something

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Just replace her compressor and be done with it. If the seal is bad what else is not far behind? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well, the verdict on the 350SDL’s AC is in, and the dye tells it all - > leaking shaft seal on the compresso

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It is. That’s good to hear. Down here in Florida the average life of a compressor seems to be around 3-4 years. Dan > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm assuming your car's compressor is the same as my '87, which could be an > incorrect assumption. > > M

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I'm assuming your car's compressor is the same as my '87, which could be an incorrect assumption. My compressor has lasted for ten years after my "rebuild", so I would not hesitate to recommend giving it a try. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On December 1, 2016 9:34:12 PM EST,

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Loosen the bolt and give it a pop with a MFH and a drift.NO special tool needed. That is how I have popped off every clutch or tapered sheave. Max Dillon via Mercedes December 1, 2016 at 8:23 PM Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the cl

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Other than snap ring pliers I didn’t see anything shown that was required to remove the clutch. Did I miss something in the videos? Dan > On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch. You > may be abl

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Dan asks: >‎Any reason why one couldn’t use >compressor oil rather than mineral oil for >>reassembly? I just watched his R4 video. In it he says he uses mineral oil, as opposed to compressor oil because compressor oils are hygroscopic, and will attract water from the air. Rick __

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch. You may be able to rent that tool at FLAPS? Do the rear seal and speed sensor too. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On December 1, 2016 7:48:26 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >Well, the verdict on the

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Thanks, Rick and Peter. Just got done watching Bob’s videos on resealing. Looks pretty straightforward and not difficult at all. I ordered a resealing kit with the shaft protector on eBay for about $23 just now, so I’ll probably take this on next week. Any reason why one couldn’t use compress

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I've done two. Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the seals. Not a bad job. Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the four under the top plate. The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've never had an

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Dan ponders : >‎So I’m wondering how difficult replacing >the shaft seal on one of these >could be.  ‎Century Bob sez on the 10PA the seal goes in from behind, so the compressor has to be disassembled. He says that at about 1:14 in the second video. This guy is frickin' good.  ‎https://www.y

Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I did a write up of how a used a similar $25 junkyard compressor from a rice burner into the 10PA17 for the SDL. It is in the archives about 2006 or 2007 I had to reuse the clutch from the MB compressor. That was how I dealt with a leaky seal. Dan Penoff via Mercedes

[MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

2016-12-01 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Well, the verdict on the 350SDL’s AC is in, and the dye tells it all - leaking shaft seal on the compressor. So I’m wondering how difficult replacing the shaft seal on one of these could be. I’ve looked at a couple of examples online and it’s certainly a straightforward job, the only real spec