The so-called 500-year flood is now the 5-year blood.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 3:04 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Depends. There are an innumerable number of palm species, but to your
> point, yes, their construction is what allows them to escape damage in high
> wi
Depends. There are an innumerable number of palm species, but to your point,
yes, their construction is what allows them to escape damage in high winds.
They don’t have a root structure per se, like a deciduous tree, more like a
root “ball”. They can and do get blown over, but it’s pretty rare.
They don’t have a lot of big limbs to catch the wind. I don’t know what their
roots are like but I see the big trees for transplanting just have a root ball
--FT
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> On Oct 3, 2022, at 2:11 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Why do palm trees do so well? I guess their b
Oh that's easy, see palm trees aren't actually trees at all, they're aliens
here keeping an eye on us.
They're direct relatives of those big flappy guys you see at car dealerships.
That's why they do so well heavy wind, they just flap, no big deal.
-Curt
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 02:11:1
Google says white oaks grow deep tap roots but no mention of red oak or live
oak.
I was thinking pines had deep roots...
-Curt
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 02:04:56 PM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
wrote:
Oaks are surface feeders. They don’t have deep tap roots. So when the soil
Why do palm trees do so well? I guess their branches and leaves bend rather
than catch the wind for one thing. Do they have deep roots?
On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, at 13:04, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Oaks are surface feeders. They don’t have deep tap roots. So when the
> soil (which arou
Oaks are surface feeders. They don’t have deep tap roots. So when the soil
(which around here is all sand from ancient dunes and beaches) gets saturated
(which kind of a relative term because it percolates fairly well until the
water table gets up) then there’s not much to hold them down
--FT
S
Yup. With sea level rise if I had any land in Florida I'd be selling. Even
stuff that hasn't been under water in the last 100 years isn't so far from
being under water in the future...
-Curt
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 01:00:04 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
wrote:
> Still not nec
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Gotcha. Sorry for any confusion.
-D
> On Oct 3, 2022, at 12:59 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> Still not necessarily a good idea.
>
> I'm referring to storm surges. If trees haven't survived there
> for 100 years, then neither will (probably) a building.
>
> -- Jim
>
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> Still not necessarily a good idea.
I'm referring to storm surges. If trees haven't survived there
for 100 years, then neither will (probably) a building.
-- Jim
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Still not necessarily a good idea.
There are numerous first growth oak trees in my area, and many of them lost
(big) limbs and a few even toppled. The problem isn’t the trees so much as how
much rain that accompanies or preceded the storm. If the ground gets saturated
enough, the wind can come
Here's my general rule: If there's not some really old trees already growing
there,
you probably don't want to put anything expensive on that land.
-- Jim
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There is a single causeway that goes from the mainland to Sanibel. Between
Sanibel and Captiva is/was a small bridge over Blind Pass at Turner Beach.
Don’t know if it’s intact or not.
-D
> On Oct 3, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Is there a causeway that was w
Is there a causeway that was wiped away?
On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 11:11 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Pretty much the same, but there’s not as many people or structures there.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 3, 2022, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@ok
Pretty much the same, but there’s not as many people or structures there.
-D
> On Oct 3, 2022, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> What happened to Captiva?
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> Let's take a little drive to Sanibel...
>>
What happened to Captiva?
On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:27 AM mitch--- via Mercedes
wrote:
> Let's take a little drive to Sanibel...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSzojvMTofc
>
> Fort Myers Beach: 1940s beach bungalow construction is not cat 4 proof.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZe9izkmjw
Let's take a little drive to Sanibel...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSzojvMTofc
Fort Myers Beach: 1940s beach bungalow construction is not cat 4 proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSZe9izkmjw
Stilts, lots of strong stilts, that's the ticket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKblu2f5Xg
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The inexorable rush of water reminds
The inexorable rush of water reminds me of the 2011 Japanese tsunami but on
steroids.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:14 PM mitch--- via Mercedes
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> On 2022-09-29 15:28, mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:
> > Scary movie, rising water and vanishing buildings in Ft Myers
> > https://www.youtube.com/w
On 2022-09-29 15:28, mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:
Scary movie, rising water and vanishing buildings in Ft Myers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al8yTiCVfro
It wasn't just one guy in that house.
https://twitter.com/MesoMax919/status/1575881405170880512
Update on the people that were in the r
A good friend runs the SC environmental law group here and she and her team sue
guys and agencies all the time about stuff like this. Their success rate is
probably >95% just because of the good ol boy do whatever the hell you want
activities that go one here. This guy would get nowhere here.
Wow...Superbirds...
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/29/21/62942623-11261707-image-a-78_1664481815464.jpg
I don't know how many times I've seen this McLaren in the last 24 hours.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/29/15/62925785-11261707-A_McLaren_P1_worth_around_1_2million_was_flooded_out
Understand that Herb was VERY well connected in Wisconsin, so when he wanted
something he typically got it, no matter what. Whistling Straits golf course
was a perfect example of that, which is a whole ‘nother story I won’t go into
here.
He petitioned the state of FL to put in rip rap, build a
Interesting. That would definitely not be allowed here. Maybe if grandfathered
but if he tried to rebuild no way
--FT
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> On Sep 29, 2022, at 3:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Herb Kohler (recently deceased) owned a home on North Captiva, an island
> north of Ca
Herb Kohler (recently deceased) owned a home on North Captiva, an island north
of Captiva across Red Fish Pass. He fought for a number of years with the State
of Florida to remediate the “land” around it, as it was gradually being
swallowed up by the Gulf. Last time I was there, a little over 20
Scary movie, rising water and vanishing buildings in Ft Myers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al8yTiCVfro
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Sanibel and Captiva got a lot smaller all of a sudden.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fd2GL7vXgAYH2pG?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Wow.
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> On Sep 29, 2022, at 8:08 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> You might say that.
>
> Here’s what’s left of the causeway out to Sanibel:
>
>
>
> Glad we weren’t there.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 29, 2022, at 7:49 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
>> wrote:
Floyd, be proactive and offer your fleet at half price before the storm
hits.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 9:59 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> I think the media is going berserk with that sort of thing. Last I heard
> there’s been one confirmed death from the storm so
I think the media is going berserk with that sort of thing. Last I heard
there’s been one confirmed death from the storm so far, although I’m sure there
will be more.
It was that - the big section of the causeway missing.
-D
> On Sep 29, 2022, at 9:26 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
On 2022-09-29 09:00, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
I just got a report from someone in the area who said the parts of the
causeway that remain have the concrete road surface peeled off, like a
buzzsaw went at it horizontally. Not good.
Any verification for reports of bodies floating on San
I just got a report from someone in the area who said the parts of the causeway
that remain have the concrete road surface peeled off, like a buzzsaw went at
it horizontally. Not good.
-D
> On Sep 29, 2022, at 8:24 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> On 2022-09-29 08:07, dan penoff.com vi
On 2022-09-29 08:07, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
You might say that.
Here’s what’s left of the causeway out to Sanibel:
Local resident sez:
Wow.
The area leading to the toll plaza is very low and within about 100’ of
the water. Not surprising to see it torn up, but is still a compel
Good luck! Hope it’s as uneventful for you as it was for us.
-D
> On Sep 29, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Good news! Rain to begin here in awhile then the real fun later tonight and
> tomorrow. Latest track forecast shows 2pm Friday storm circle right on top
Good news! Rain to begin here in awhile then the real fun later tonight and
tomorrow. Latest track forecast shows 2pm Friday storm circle right on top of
the vast estate. Yay me.
—FT
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> On Sep 29, 2022, at 7:38 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Ian is gone. M
You might say that.
Here’s what’s left of the causeway out to Sanibel:
Glad we weren’t there.
-D
> On Sep 29, 2022, at 7:49 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Groovalicious.
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 6:38 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>>
Groovalicious.
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 6:38 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Ian is gone. Minimal effects at Chez Penoff East. Lots of detritus from
> the trees on the ground, but no downed limbs. Haven’t checked the roof yet,
> but from below there don’t seem to b
Ian is gone. Minimal effects at Chez Penoff East. Lots of detritus from the
trees on the ground, but no downed limbs. Haven’t checked the roof yet, but
from below there don’t seem to be any missing shingles. Never lost power, had a
couple of bumps, but the generator has yet to get a workout.
Ac
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