Allan,
But it's your choice to fiddle or not to fiddle. Simply choose an
environment you think looks nice and off you go.
You'll fiddle a LOT more with MS than you do with Linux. Seems like
I was always chasing some nonsense in Windows and haven't had to do
that with Linux...not since cresting
Boot in Linux, it won't abide by the Winderz permissions.
Luther
On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:02:22 -0500, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, you can copy stuff over with a few exceptions. Both Vista and XP
work with NTFS and Fat filesystems. If you get permission errors, you
can try
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All macs have been 64 bit since when?
The first Macintosh with 64 bit processor was the Power Mac G5 released in
June of 2003, oddly enough the first x86 64 bit mainstream processor, the
AMD64 Opteron, was also released in
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced 64
bit processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030
Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to trickle
down
On Tue, 6 May 2008 09:04:44 -0400 dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have no doubt that Linux/Unix will win in the long run.
See picture attached.
Craig
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Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
KDE and Gnome are desktop environments.
Fluxbox, Blackbox, IceWM, Ion, AfterStep, Openbox, Flwm, Metacity
Twm, Wmii2, Pekwm, lwm, Sawfish, and many others are just window
managers. And any of them can be run inside one of the desktop
environments.
While
The reason it is odd that both Apple and the Wintel world introduced
64 bit
processors in 2003 is because the first 64 bit processor was IBM 7030
Mainframe, released in 1961. So it took 4 decades for the tech to
trickle
down to the home user.
There is more than one way to measure 'size',
Thanks Rich, I'll see what is available locally/cheaply...
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Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 16:13:51 -0500
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hardware crowd...
It truely is a great time to have an old computer.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400
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Curt Raymond wrote:
There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older
hardware crowd...
It truely is a great time to have an old computer.
True!
Antix Linux may have a few warts, but I can get it to run on damn near
anything. Antix 6.5 even runs on old AMD K6s.
catering to the older
hardware crowd...
It truely is a great time to have an old computer.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400
From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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i'd have to agree here. the only reason to run windoze is if you use
applications that cannot run on linux or an emulation, like stupid effin
foreign soccer games running on hack feeds forcing me to reload xp on my
machine for this trip.
ubuntu is a much happier and simpler to use os than xp and
of stripped down Linux distros catering to the
older hardware crowd...
It truely is a great time to have an old computer.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400
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You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines
for the price.
--R
better.
There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the
older hardware crowd...
It truely is a great time to have an old computer.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400
From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT
Thanks John, very helpful.
/s/Max
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Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:27:00 -0500
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.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:11:26 -0400
From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Microsoft's Windows 7 that is currently in development is purported to
have a kernal the size of Windows 98 which would make it much faster
than XP and much MUCH faster than Vista.
The kernel is not, and never has been, Microsquish's big problem.
It's that mega-crap layer that sits on top of
Jim Cathey wrote:
Then take a look at how long it takes to open a spreadsheet. WTF?
Have you used Office 2007? Took the nice *quick* Office 2003 apps that
everyone was familiar with, and re-wrote the interface from SCRATCH.
They also made it slower.
John
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:52 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you used Office 2007? Took the nice *quick* Office 2003 apps that
everyone was familiar with, and re-wrote the interface from SCRATCH.
They also made it slower.
Scott McNealy (CEO of Sun) said something to the
dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is unfortunate that Microsoft and Apple have taken an approach
with it's OS that does not lend itself to that flexibility. In the
case of Apple, it probably does, but they do not provide the tools
for anyone else to screw with it.
You can get the core
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
if you are scared to go linux because you have visions of sexton
desperately typing code trying to make bsd do something right, you
are way behind the times.
The problems with mbz.org had nothing to do with BSD.
Allan
--
1983 300D
There's more than just KDE/Gnome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager
Also, there is Fluxbox or IceWM and probably more...
--
Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (176 kmi)
'82 300D (74 kmi)
It seems than at Tue, 06 May 2008 22:43:21 -0500, Luther wrote:
There's more than just KDE/Gnome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager
Also, there is Fluxbox or IceWM and probably more...
KDE and Gnome are desktop environments.
Fluxbox, Blackbox, IceWM, Ion, AfterStep,
So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in
01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like
that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed it up pretty good and it has run great 24/7
since. Have had to replace a few power supplies but other than that no
.
Scott Ritchey
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So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in
01
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So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in
01. It was pretty top of the line then, amd 1.6 processor, something like
that, 7xx meg ram. i beefed
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So my computer that I have been having all the trouble with, I built it in
01. It was pretty top
You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current
machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the
motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect
your old disk to copy stuff over. Any current machine you buy will be
64 bit. You might as well load an
My guess is that Kaleb's NIC (network interface card) is bad (assuming he's on
DSL or cable and not dial-up, in which case I would say his modem may be bad).
To test, if you are on DSL/Cable or some other broadband (i.e. the first cable
leaving your computer to the outside world is a CAT 5e
You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines
for the price.
--R
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote:
My guess is that Kaleb's NIC (network interface card) is bad (assuming he's
on DSL or cable and not dial-up, in which case I would say his modem
You missed the part about him pulling up Ebay and being sent to phishing
sites.
Kubuntu is plug and play, requiring fewer steps to install (like silly
registration codes) than windows. You can download the cd @ kubuntu.org.
The interface is pretty similar. The only real trick is learning the
Ya I agree. These days unless you are gaming or making media, laptops
are pretty much the way to go. Price wise they aren't far off and you
can beat doing work from a hammock.
-Rolf
Rich Thomas wrote:
You can buy Acer laptops pretty cheap, they are quite decent machines
for the price.
--R
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:37 PM
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Microcenter and Fry's have some cheap mobo/processor combos, then get
some memory, and you can use your older stuff with a new faster board.
You might need a new video card too, the new
: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
You need a SATA controller to use SATA drives. All the current
machines that have SATA also have an ATA or IDE connector on the
motherboard for use with cd drives. That will allow you to connect
your old disk to copy stuff over
way behind the times.
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Kaleb C. Striplin
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You
I have XP pro sp2, is that 64 bit?
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:28 PM
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There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern
CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages is the ability to use
if the wife stays
with Outlook Express...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:20:51 -0500
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B!
Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically labeled,
just like XP.
The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the processor.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400
From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace
No.
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:27:08 -0500
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I
Regina would very easily get used to a good Linux distro, especially
by using Sylpheed as an email client.
2 gigs of RAM minimum for Vista is a cruel joke! Keep the XP
installed. Crop out all the crap they preload to help you.
Then get PCLinuxOS or Ubunutu. I prefer PCLOS as it's not as bloaty
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:28 PM
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There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any modern
CPU is going to be 64bit. The major advantages
What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
Thanks,
Gerry
From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kubuntu is plug and play, requiring fewer steps to install (like silly
registration codes) than windows. You can download the cd @ kubuntu.org.
The interface is
archer wrote:
What's the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
Linux is able to have multiple window managers. Kubuntu uses the KDE
window manager whereas Ubuntu uses Gnome. Each window manager provides
the way you interface with your computer... its best seen with
screenshots...
KDE:
of RAM and faster use of the
processor.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400
From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically
labeled, just like XP.
The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the
processor.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400
From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
If it works reasonably well and seems reasonably fast I'd say stick with what
you've got. Why mess with it?
Obligitory linux plug here... I like Mepis, easy to use, works good.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:10:10 - (UTC)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
years ago...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 18:09:41 -0500
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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All macs have been 64
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Microcenter and Fry's have some cheap mobo/processor combos, then get
some memory, and you can use your older stuff with a new faster board.
You might need a new
The EEEPC from Asus comes with Linux pre-installed - and they're not
that expensive. I've toyed with getting one, but I'm too cheap for
even that machine new.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8625295type=productid=1193452147742
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OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
There are three kinds of
will be specifically
labeled, just like XP.
The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the
processor.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400
From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
versions will be specifically
labeled, just like XP.
The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the
processor.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400
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There are 64bit versions of XP. I think vista requires 64bit. Any
modern
CPU is going
?
B!
Most versions of Vista are 32bit. 64bit versions will be specifically
labeled, just like XP.
The advantage is actually more than 3GB of RAM and faster use of the
processor.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:28:54 -0400
From: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT
Ah - longing for the good old days.
Would still RATHER just
install XP on here since I know what is going on with it.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
'90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), '
The statement that new versions of OS software aren't faster isn't
quite true -- Mac OS 10.4 is quite a bit faster than 10.3.9, and
10.3.9 is a real speed demon in comparison to 10.2.8 -- all on the
same machine, too.
One should expect improvements in optimization as software
evolves.
The screenshots look interesting. I tried Ubuntu awhile back and couldn't
get it online. I'll try Kubuntu in a few weeks and maybe have better luck.
Thanks,
Gerry
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From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
archer wrote:
What's the difference between
I have to take issue with anyone that expects new versions of
Operating Systems to be faster than the old versions. That has not
been true since the 1960's and anyone with experience in this business
knows that and knows why.
I have plenty of experience with the business, and generally,
with
Yes, once in a while software does get faster, but it is seldom. To
their credit, M$ claimed Server 2003 was faster on the same hardware
than Server 2000. I tried it. It is My DC/File server is still
running on a amd 350 Mhz k2 processor machine that I built ... uh 9
years ago as a
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