Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:58:38 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > It is possible that is what he meant but what confused me was > that he said > === > If it matters, my filters are all in the cold air return grates, > not in the air handler. > > -D > === > Since I consider that w

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

It is possible that is what he meant but what confused me was that he said === If it matters, my filters are all in the cold air return grates, not in the air handler. -D === Since I consider that what returns to the air handler is warm air, the mention of cold air return

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

You would then have to have them cleaned I assume. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Fri, July 10, 2020 8:04 am, MG via Mercedes wrote: >> Because the dust will probably catch on the interior of the >> supply duct before it even gets t

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

My system only has filters in the ceiling at the return vents. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 7:04 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > > So wouldn't it make more sense to have that device in the return air flow > before the air gets to the filter into the air handler? But then that > d

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

On Fri, July 10, 2020 8:04 am, MG via Mercedes wrote: > Because the dust will probably catch on the interior of the > supply duct before it even gets to any filters that may be in the room > supply vents. I think Dan said they're in the room return vents. (in HVAC speak, supply is what comes out o

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Because the dust will probably catch on the interior of the supply duct before it even gets to any filters that may be in the room supply vents. MG Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: "the charged plasma induces particles to coagulate or stick together making them bigger and easier for your filter

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

So wouldn't it make more sense to have that device in the return air flow before the air gets to the filter into the air handler? But then that depends on where your filter is. In my system I have two filters, the first is in the return duct grill before the air and dust in the house gets into

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

It's not that simple, read this: https://www.rgf.com/article/hydro-peroxide-for-iaq/ On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So dust goes through the filters, and then through the gizmo that > apparently gives it an electrostatic charge to make i

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

So, is this the unit? https://www.amazon.com/RGF-REME-Purification-System-Light/dp/B004199V74/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=REME+HALO%C2%AE+Whole+Home+In-Duct+Air+Purifier&qid=1594326805&sr=8-4 at $825 or so? Where did you get yours? On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:07 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < merce

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

So dust goes through the filters, and then through the gizmo that apparently gives it an electrostatic charge to make it clump up so the filters can grab it? On Thu, July 9, 2020 12:07 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > If it matters, my filters are all in the cold air return grates, not in > th

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

If it matters, my filters are all in the cold air return grates, not in the air handler. -D > On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > >> "the charged plasma induces particles to coagulate or stick together making >> them bigger and easier for your filter to catch" > >

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

> "the charged plasma induces particles to coagulate or stick together making > them bigger and easier for your filter to catch" And to complete the sentence: "... assuming they ever make it around through the room and into the filter, which they won't." -- Jim _

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

From the web site: "the charged plasma induces particles to coagulate or stick together making them bigger and easier for your filter to catch" On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:12 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I noticed a lot less dust collecting on surfaces > > So, where

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Good question. Max Dillon Charleston SC Jul 9, 2020 9:12:44 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes : >> I noticed a lot less dust collecting on surfaces > > So, where _did_ the dust end up?  On the walls of the ducts? > > -- Jim > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > T

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

> I noticed a lot less dust collecting on surfaces So, where _did_ the dust end up? On the walls of the ducts? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:06:42 -0800 Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Aussies are in full Escape from New York lock down now. Okay, just one > state/city. > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53335745 That leads to: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097 Coronavirus: The tenants end

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Legionnaire's is a bacterial disease, comes from soil being disturbed and/or bacteria growing in cooling towers and the mist being drawn in to the air handling system. Not quite the same as a virus. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://w

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:07:15 -0800 Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Forty years ago we had an outbreak of Legionnaires’ disease. Seems > somebody would have made changes to HVAC codes for enclosed spaces to > control the spread of contagion. Legionnaires' disease was due to HVAC technicians with conta

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 07:27:48 -0600 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > Relatively few people here in South Dakota are wearing one ... I thought you lived in the Los Angeles area ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okieb

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Aussies are in full Escape from New York lock down now. Okay, just one state/city. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53335745 Even when you incarcerate the populous things go wrong https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarathiessen/2020/07/07/australia-coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown-hotel-sex-

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I don’t know about changes in codes, but most public and private facilities have water a management programs to prevent it along with other water-borne diseases. I know that some of the facilities I’ve worked in had disinfectant protocols for things like cooling towers and fountains to prevent i

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

We’ve been happy with it. Personally, I can’t tell a big difference as we didn’t have a point of reference having only been in the house a couple of weeks after I installed it. However, the one we had in our previous house did make a noticeable difference for everyone, and I will say that I noti

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

This morning’s news claims one million new plague infections took place in June. That means in 100 months we will have achieved Herd Immunity. Hmmm. Looks like nine years to go. Which of us is going to tolerate being masked up for almost a decade? Forty years ago we had an outbreak of Leg

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Thanks Dan, very timely, I had just made up my mind to get something like this for our house. Max Dillon Charleston SC Jul 8, 2020 2:24:45 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes : > I have one of these in my AC system: > > https://www.rgf.com/products/air/reme-halo/ >

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I DIY’ed it, took all of maybe five minutes to do it. The previous one we had was installed when we replace the AC system in 2017. The only catch is that they won’t warrant the unit if you DIY. They want it installed by an HVAC contractor, which is a bit scammy if you ask me, but I can sort of

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I looked into something similar several years ago. Not sure why I didn’t get it. Did you have it installed or diy? Cost? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have one of these in my AC system: > > https://www.rgf.com/products/air/reme-halo

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I have one of these in my AC system: https://www.rgf.com/products/air/reme-halo/ We had one of their earlier devices in our former house: https://www.rgf.com/products/air/guardian-air-qr/ These d

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I agree with Grant - the AC systems must be a factor if the virii are airborne. I wonder if the UV air sterilizers would be effective? That would seem to me to be the easiest and perhaps most effective way of dealing with the air systems. Until then, wear your N95 mask in the store ... On Wed, Jul

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

There was only one person at the beginning of the conversation that tried to turn it political but otherwise has been interesting points brought up. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thank you, Grant. Despite this being a somewhat conten

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I was amazed we were having a conversation about this for days without it being political, and now it appears we reached the limit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Channeling Marshall Booth: "Change your filters or your LUNGS will ME

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Nonpolitically speaking, I can't overstate what a relief it is to learn that Dimitri is taking precautions against COV 19. We can't afford to lose him! One day I (or someone else) will need to rely on his elite welding expertise to repair a rust panel or two, on a pro bono basis of course. On We

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Thank you for your restraint to a very political post. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 1:00 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I would like to respond to that.. but.. it would be "political on this > board" and thus not acceptable... > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:54 AM Meade Dillo

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Thank you, Grant. Despite this being a somewhat contentious topic, nearly all of the respondents have done an excellent job staying on topic and being respectful. -D > On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > I would like to respond to that.. but.. it would be "political

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I would like to respond to that.. but.. it would be "political on this board" and thus not acceptable... On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:54 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Channeling Marshall Booth: "Change your filters or your LUNGS will MELT!" > > Prediction: If Biden wi

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

No politics or you’ll be moderated. No more warnings, folks. The discussion has been civil and on topic until now. Let’s keep it that way. List Mom/little hilter > On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Channeling Marshall Booth: "Change your filters or your LUNGS

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Channeling Marshall Booth: "Change your filters or your LUNGS will MELT!" Prediction: If Biden wins, the Wuhan Red Death will drop out of the news cycle permanently. If Trump wins, Americans will continue to die at an alarming rate, and We MUST DO SOMETHING! - Max Charleston SC On W

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Yeah.. but... What is the air exchange rate in a commercial air handler... How many minutes does air sucked in [through filters that likely are NOT N95] stay inside the air handler before it is cooled or heated and pushed back out and spread over the entire building? My personal view is that it ac

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I think early on it was thought the viri could live on surfaces for some time but that has been found not to be the case so much, looks to be mostly direct airborne contact now.  i wouldn't think air handlers would be a (relatively) major concern -_FT On 7/8/20 12:26 PM, G Mann via Mercedes w

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

One item of concern that has, to date, not been addressed to my satisfaction. The air handling systems in buildings.. What is being done to clean the systems ? We wear masks in stores... yet hundreds of people come and go in a single day, so the opportunity for someone with infection to be spread

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

I only wear N95 into stores. I wear cloth when out and about outside where masks have been mandated by local authorities or else. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/07/1004841/a-group-of-239-scie

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

"Every country THAT HAS MANAGED to reduce covid" -Curt On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 9:49:41 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Every country?  Come on Karl, I have to throw the flag on that one. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Karl Wittnebel via

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

But remember you're breathing, the virus is on the water vapor coming out of your mouth. The more you breathe the more water vapor clings to your mask and traps more virus. I have learned something about not touching my mask from all this talk. I also treat my hands with oil of malaluca (tea tr

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Every country? Come on Karl, I have to throw the flag on that one. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Every country that has managed to reduce covid to bearable levels has a > mandatory masking policy in p

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Read it again Curt, it says the particles are so small (1-2 microns) that they remain airborne, which means they flow with the air right through and around the surgical mask. https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2017/07/06/elastomerics/ " Surgical masks are *not* respirators. They are disposa

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

The virus is too small to catch, your snotballs and other assorted moisture on which the virus is carried are not. We reduce transmission by keeping the radius of your breath closer to you. -Curt On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 9:13:50 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, July

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Every country that has managed to reduce covid to bearable levels has a mandatory masking policy in place, including many whose outbreaks were small in large part because they put the policy in place as soon as their first cases occurred. Cloth is not as good as spun polyethylene or propylene or wh

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

The question is not so much whether it spreads as an aerosol. We had 120 people from a single bar in Mankato test positive shortly after they reopened. We had about a hundred people infected in South Korean dance classes. 60 of 80 people from a single choir rehearsal in Washington state. It definit

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

On Wed, July 8, 2020 9:04 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Actually it means exactly the opposite, that everyone could help slow > transmission by wearing masks. Remember the mask catches that which you > expel. They're saying it's too small for anything short of an N95 to catch, so saying t

Re: [MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

Actually it means exactly the opposite, that everyone could help slow transmission by wearing masks. Remember the mask catches that which you expel. Still though, I take all these things with more than a few grains of salt. We've seen so many magic realizations that have then turned out to be wr

[MBZ] So basically it is airborne and anything less than a N95 is a waste of time?

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/07/1004841/a-group-of-239-scientists-say-theres-growing-evidence-covid-19-is-airborne/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go