--R wrote:
> If we take this to BannedLite...
It's there - over at BannedLite.
Tell us the story over there.
thanks
mao
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If we take this to BannedLite I can relate my experience with
hard-"working" union members at a IH truck plant about 30 yr ago. I
doubt if much has changed since then.
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Allan Streib wrote:
"Tom Hargrave" said:
A 30 year option to retire for lost career opportunities, worn out body
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pm7...@comcast.net said:
> Misleading. They do not HAVE to retire, they simply max their pensions
> after 30 years. The pension is part of their compensation package, they
> negotiated it and the management gave it to them. Did you tak
"Mitch Haley" said:
> Her husband intends to keep working until his employer (a major university)
> throws him out the door at age 70
My dad did that. He was a career research chemist. Retired at 70.
Died at 72.
Allan
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There are lots of jobs where you "work" for 8 hours, with minimal
breaks, on your feet the whole time. Many of them command low wages and
poor benefits. I'm not sure how many directly compare to doing the
*same* thing over and over, hundreds of times a day on an assembly line;
each job has its un
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Nope, the auto workers have a 30 year retirement plan. For example, my Wife
is eligible to retire at the age of 54 - that's 11 years short of Medicare.
A friend of mine retired from county government (welfare caseworker) after 20
years at the age of 37 or 38. She started th
Sounds a lot like my wife's nursing jobs - yes they schedled breaks,
not you didn't have time to take them. She ate lunch in 15 to 20
minutes and got to pee during the "1 hour" lunch break, then back at
it. She did that for 35 years, with breaks to have kids.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Alla
"Tom Hargrave" said:
> A 30 year option to retire for lost career opportunities, worn out body
> joints from repetitive motion (Wife, her sister & brother in-law have had
> carpel tunnel release surgery - wife has bad knees from one job she did for
> 6 years), very strict work schedule and a job
pm7...@comcast.net said:
> Misleading. They do not HAVE to retire, they simply max their pensions
> after 30 years. The pension is part of their compensation package, they
> negotiated it and the management gave it to them. Did you take all your
> employer offered you last year? I did!
I don'
-- Original message --
From: "Tom Hargrave"
> I never stated that have to retire - in the last paragraph, I stated "the
> option to retire".
>
> Also, the prospects of employment after retirement after working for the big
> three are grim.
I understand, the chan
That retirement plan is part of the problem no? I get to retire when I decide
my 401k has enough money in it, which I'm guessing is the 12th of never...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:44:44 -0600
From: "Tom Hargrave"
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM
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Misleading. They do not HAVE to retire, they simply max their pensions
afte
Misleading. They do not HAVE to retire, they simply max their pensions after
30 years. The pension is part of their compensation package, they negotiated
it and the management gave it to them. Did you take all your employer offered
you last year? I did!
If a UAW worker is smart, He/She leave
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"Tom Hargrave" writes:
> Nope, the auto workers have a 30 year retirement plan. For example, my
> Wife is eligible to retir
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/business/30auto.html
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"Tom Hargrave" writes:
> Nope, the auto workers have a 30 year retirement plan. For example, my
> Wife is eligible to retire at the age of 54 - that's 11 years short of
> Medicare. If she had gone to work for Chrysler when she was 18, as
> many did in states like Michigan, she would have retired
lan Streib
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"Tom Hargrave" writes:
> The issue is that each GM worker is supporting the medical benefits of
> 1.6 retirees & their families.
Um wait, retired workers would be o
Medicare at 65 years.
Wilton
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> "Tom Hargrave" writes:
>
> > The issue is that each GM wo
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"OK Don" writes:
> I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
> their profit margin will look like after they
"Tom Hargrave" writes:
> The issue is that each GM worker is supporting the medical benefits of
> 1.6 retirees & their families.
Um wait, retired workers would be on Medicare no?
Allan
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM
I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
retired workers to provide for?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Allen Sawyer
wrote:
> It h
"OK Don" writes:
> I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
> their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
> retired workers to provide for?
If they're smart they have 401k plans or whatever, that they fund at
some base amount, and to which employee
I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
retired workers to provide for?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Allen Sawyer wrote:
> It has been published several times that last year, both Toyota and GM
> pr
It has been published several times that last year, both Toyota and GM
produced the same number of vehicles, something like seventeen million, but
Toyota's profit was 17 billion, and GM had a loss of 39 billion. Several
people are going to have make some kind of sacrifice to achieve equity. I
Steve MacSween wrote:
> Creditors can bring a smaller firm to its knees, but when you are playing to
> the stakes and on the scale GM operates, worldwide, it would be an
> administrative nightmare and no one is in a position to see a net benefit
> from pulling the plug on them.
>
Although I do
on 8/4/06 5:48 PM, Rick Knoble at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Unfortunately, though I agree with you about their deserving to go the way
>> of the dodo, the plain fact is that they are simply too huge to die. You
>> cannot put a company that large out of business except by government
>> action,
>>
Well, if they don't learn to build decent automobiles, even that won't
help! The real problem is the management culture.
Peter
Steve MacSween wrote:
> Unfortunately, though I agree with you about their deserving to go the way
> of the dodo, the plain fact is that they are simply too huge to die. You
> cannot put a company that large out of business except by government action,
> not to my knowledge anyway.
>
GM will do
Unfortunately, though I agree with you about their deserving to go the way
of the dodo, the plain fact is that they are simply too huge to die. You
cannot put a company that large out of business except by government
action,
not to my knowledge anyway.
Ever hear of Bethlehem Steel? LTV Steel
Unfortunately, though I agree with you about their deserving to go the way
of the dodo, the plain fact is that they are simply too huge to die. You
cannot put a company that large out of business except by government action,
not to my knowledge anyway.
I wager Ford will be the one to go. One of th
Nothing can save GM. They have decades to build a better product and
they've squandered every chance they got. And then t add lunacy to the
mix,they've built their while "recovery" on their new SUV's
Dumb dumb dumb!
Jeff Zedic
87 300TD
- Original Message -
Remember that Toyota is poised to surpass GM as the largest automaker on
the planet.
Thats Toyota, Lexus and Scion vs Chevrolet, GMC, Buick, Pontiac,
Cadillac, Hummer, Saab, and Saturn.
Wasn't it also the crazy chairman of Toyota (could have been Honda) that
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