Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Peter Frederick
The reason that higher speed reduced diesel fuel economy is that higher horsepower is needed, and diesels are very output sensitive in terms of fuel consumption. They do not suffer from the charge density problems of gasoline engines (at idle, the pressure in the combustion chamber is bare

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
economy. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:57:06 -0500 > From: Michael Canfield > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 > turbodieselwagon > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IS

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread OK Don
l. Higher RPM will add wear to the engine but on a diesel > doesn't seem to effect fuel economy. > > -Curt > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:57:06 -0500 > From: Michael Canfield > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Curt Raymond
ever detect any difference at all. Higher RPM will add wear to the engine but on a diesel doesn't seem to effect fuel economy. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:57:06 -0500 From: Michael Canfield To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodi

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
The problem is more likely the engine is running too slow. The 85 Andrew has is higher geared and turns lower rpm's at the same speed as most w123's. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 4:48 PM, "Randy Bennell" wrote: > On 06/12/2012 1:52 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > >> On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM, "Andrew Strasfog

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
I know how slow a Deuce is, it's only there for drafting purpose :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi) On 12/6/2012 2:17 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: The Deuce is pretty much as slow as it gets off the line. Diesel Rabbit starts would be a better description than Ja

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Randy Bennell
On 06/12/2012 1:52 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: Does anyone have possible tweaks ("tuneups") that could coax a few more mpg out of the engine? 1. Check timing chain stretch. 2. Check injector spray patterns. 3. Replace what needs replaced. 4.

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
The Deuce is pretty much as slow as it gets off the line. Diesel Rabbit starts would be a better description than Jack rabbit. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 2:54 PM, "Benz Hogs" wrote: > On 12/6/2012 1:49 PM, Tim C wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Benz Hogs >> wrote: >> >> #1 Only use full-t

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
On 12/6/2012 1:49 PM, Tim C wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: #1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or beyond, if you dare :) ), r

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Rick Knoble
On Dec 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: > Does anyone have possible tweaks ("tuneups") that could coax > a few more mpg out of the engine? 1. Check timing chain stretch. 2. Check injector spray patterns. 3. Replace what needs replaced. 4. Advance/Retard cam timing in 2 degree

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: > #1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find > traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do > full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or beyond, if you dare :) ), > repeat. This would reduce carb

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Benz Hogs
#1 Only use full-throttle when merging onto the interstate. #2 Find traffic-less sections of the interstate, stop on the shoulder, do full-throttle acceleration up to speed limit (or beyond, if you dare :) ), repeat. This would reduce carbon buildup on the injectors, rings, and valves which co

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Tim C
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Not sure I am ready for this sort of radical method to improve my fuel > economy. Does anyone have possible tweaks ("tuneups") that could coax > a few more mpg out of the engine? > 1) Drive it like you are afraid the glass of wine you le

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
00TD CA version > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM, WILTON wrote: > >> > 'Just downloaded My Cars Fleet Mngmt app to my iPhone. > >> > > >> > Wilton > >> > > >> > - Original Message - From: "Tim

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
12 at 1:19 PM, WILTON wrote: >> > 'Just downloaded My Cars Fleet Mngmt app to my iPhone. >> > >> > Wilton >> > >> > - Original Message - From: "Tim C" >> > >> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> >

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Michael Canfield
gt; > > > Wilton > > > > - Original Message - From: "Tim C" > > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 > > tu

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread ernest breakfield
hi Andrew! our '85 (Calif) 300D is routinely driven in a manner we'll call 'briskly', and averages just about or barely above 20 MPG on (almost exclusively) B99.9 in mostly Kombat Kommute traffic (which means either crawling or flying). we don't use it much for around-town. on open hig

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
to my iPhone. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Tim C" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 > turbodieselwagon > >

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread WILTON
'Just downloaded My Cars Fleet Mngmt app to my iPhone. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Tim C" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

Re: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 turbodieselwagon

2012-12-06 Thread WILTON
You're providing the car and fuel? I'll try it. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] Troubleshooting cr*ppy fuel economy in a W123 tu