What sort of labor is required in hours to swap out the turbocharge
assembly? He will be exchanging like for like (2 CA version turbos).
Andrew
1983 300TD
1985 300TD, currently on sabbatical
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
oh its got the funky air
-0400
From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't
notice any power loss.
Max
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16, 2011 6:51:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much
power
as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal going
through the valves and cylinders. On second though I
dry until the head is back on)
Charleston SC
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Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Didn't he say right from the start
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much
power
as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal
going
through the valves
Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tue, August 16, 2011 6:51:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as much
power
as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little pieces of metal
going
through
andrew strasfogel wrote:
There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the
transmission. The car had adequate power once the vacuum issues were sorted
out. I drove the car for several trouble free weeks after that until the
whining nosie escalated and the turbo
I can just about guarantee one of them will be missing and most likely the one
at the air cleaner end
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On Aug 16, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as coming from the
This is a CA version engine. What/where are the U tube seals?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
I can just about guarantee one of them will be missing and most likely the
one at the air cleaner end
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dry until the head is back on)
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Didn't he say right from
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Didn't he say right from the start that the new engine didn't have as
much
power
as the old one? I shudder to think of all those little
Mitch Haley wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
There was always a faint whine or moan that I attributed as
coming from the transmission. The car had adequate power
once the vacuum issues were sorted out. I drove the car for
several trouble free weeks after that until the whining
nosie
oh its got the funky air cleaner? Its a different arrangement then so I
cant say for sure it was one of the 0 ring deals. I think those have
the air tube to the air cleaner more similar to a 603 than the old u
pipe on any other 617. Something got sucked in though.
On 8/16/2011 11:20 AM,
Went out for another drive. Noise pitch varies with engine speed, not
road
speed. In neutral, coasting, there the noise abates.
Truly? Torque converter? Front end of tranny innards?
What is the stall speed of the engine? (Jam brakes and
throttle while stopped, note engine RPM.) Stripped
Thanks Mitch, but that's more then a few miles north of me here
in Fl. Doesn't look too bad though and a 4 speed at that. too bad
it's so far away.
Manfred
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise
How did you hit the curb, tire tread or tire sidewall? Any damage done to the
rim?
Max
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andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
The swap was done back in May. Just remembered something else that might be
worth
Fmiser wrote:
Mitch Haley wrote:
100 miles north of me:
http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/2536917563.html
If it's a manual transmission, then is it turbo? Or does it
have SLS? I wouldn't count on either.
19884 was near the peak of the 'import it yourself and save thousands'
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
How did you hit the curb, tire tread or tire sidewall? Any damage done to the
rim?
Max
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andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
The swap was done
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Went out for another drive. Noise pitch varies with engine speed, not
road
speed. In neutral, coasting, there the noise abates.
Truly? Torque converter? Front end of tranny innards?
What
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Driveability is not affected - shifs normally.
Sounds like time for a stall test. Firmly apply brake with transmission in
drive. Floor the throttle, no more than 30 seconds, preferably much less, and
note the tachometer reading when the tach stabilizes. Report
Andrew,
Does it make any difference in noise when you make a turn to the left or right?
When the right rear bearing went on my 80 300SD it made a terrible noise and it
was louder in turns. Have you looked underneath for any signs of rubbing or
wear? An exhaust hanger can come loose and have
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:29:47 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Went out for another drive. Noise pitch varies with engine
speed, not road speed. In neutral, coasting, there the noise
abates.
Then it has to be in the front of the transmission, or before
I gotta ask, since no one has up to this point:
Have you removed the spouse/girlfriend/mother-in-law or other potential noise
source from the car?
grin
Dan
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On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:29:47 -0500 Fmiser
That describes it perfectly. What I can't figure out is that if I have a
bad diff why this develped AFTER the drive train transplant. I had no
whining noise at all before this (the differential was NOT changed with the
engine/transmission). Could a replacement of the drive train transmission
I had SWMBO and older brother asking where the police cars were; they heard
a siren noise on the highway. I tried to play it cool...
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
I gotta ask, since no one has up to this point:
Have you removed the
That is the behavior of what an old mechanic friend calls a
sinchousince you changed my engine, my diff went bad.
There isn't always a cause for an old part failing, it's just worn and due
for service.
Mike
On Aug 15, 2011 12:46 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
That
Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes:
That is the behavior of what an old mechanic friend calls a
sinchousince you changed my engine, my diff went bad.
There isn't always a cause for an old part failing, it's just worn and due
for service.
Not too much effort to pop the cover
Oil low. Oil drained and forgot to replace?
That describes it perfectly. What I can't figure out is that if I have a
bad diff why this develped AFTER the drive train transplant. I had no
whining noise at all before this (the differential was NOT changed with the
engine/transmission). Could
I'll find out tomorrow.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Oil low. Oil drained and forgot to replace?
That describes it perfectly. What I can't figure out is that if I have a
bad diff why this develped AFTER the drive train transplant. I had no
I dont see how, maybe it was just a coincidence, or maybe they drained
the diff for some strange reason and did not fill it back up? Did they
swap the diff as well to match the 85 engine/trans? Thats the deal is
the 85 has different diff to go with the different trans. If so, swap
your old
The car is an 85 with an 85 diff and 1985 drive train transplant so there is
no compatibiliy issue. There wouldn't have been a need to drain the diff
fluid when they did the drive train transplant.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
I dont see how,
I would not have thought so but you never know.
On 8/15/2011 2:49 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
The car is an 85 with an 85 diff and 1985 drive train transplant so there is
no compatibiliy issue. There wouldn't have been a need to drain the diff
fluid when they did the drive train transplant.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
How did you hit the curb, tire tread or tire sidewall? Any damage done to the
rim?
Max
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andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
The swap was done
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Your reply is missing something. You said you hit a curb with the right rear
wheel.
Q1: How did that happen?
Q2: What part
Mitch Haley wrote:
Fmiser wrote:
Mitch Haley wrote:
100 miles north of me:
http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/2536917563.html
If it's a manual transmission, then is it turbo? Or does it
have SLS? I wouldn't count on either.
Manny tranny + cloth seats and manny windows =
Misdirection play!
My mechanic (actually, his son) heard the screeching noise as i pulled into
the yard and popped the hood to do a visual inspection of
The TURBOCHARGER! - It's completely shot! No fins left! The noise
originated under the hood at the front of the engine and got
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes:
The TURBOCHARGER! - It's completely shot! No fins left! The noise
originated under the hood at the front of the engine and got transmitted
through the exhaust to the REAR of the car, making me and everyone else in
the car conclude it was
Glad to hear the mystery is solved! Curious that you didn't notice any power
loss.
Max
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andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Misdirection play!
My mechanic (actually, his son) heard the screeching noise as i
in normal driving one doesn't use the turbo all that much on a W123
unless you really have a lead foot. Probably been bad for a while,
just finally started making serious noise.
You may be surprised at the increase in power with a new one!
Peter
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Walt
On Aug 15, 2011 7:59 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote:
in normal driving one doesn't use the turbo all that much on a W123
unless you really have a lead foot. Probably been bad for a while,
just finally started making serious noise.
Could a replacement of the drive train transmission
cause the diff to stress out?
Well, if the driveline was put in under tension (midsection
slip joint too tight) instead of relaxed maybe...
-- Jim
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
The TURBOCHARGER! - It's completely shot! No fins left!
Now do you believe those of us who were trying to tell you that the
trap oxidizer on the '85 was a Bad Thing?
These turbos rarely go bad, according to the
I hit the curb - that's what did it. ;)
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
The TURBOCHARGER! - It's completely shot! No fins left!
Now do you believe those of us
I can tell you exactly what happened because I did this myself. When they put
the engine in when they were putting the u pipe for the air cleaner back on one
of the big o rings was not seated in there right and got sucked into the turbo
and caused exactly what you described. Had it happen to me
Yes definitely check the differential oil level. Also ask our trusty friend
Gael to have a listen. He's the differential master. BTW, when I hear a whining
noise in my car it usually has an obvious explanation- female:)
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On Aug 14, 2011, at 1:50 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
I've got a W123 diff for you. Should be in good shape, it had an easy life
behind a OM616 with automatic trans. Would make a strong running turbo super
quick around town, and get 40mpg (indicated) on the freeway. I wonder how many
1985 123s Kaleb crushed last month.
Mitch.
How much do you want for it? What's the gear ratio?
My new thinking is that it since the noise didn't exist before the drive
train transplant, it is more likely the transmission than any pre-existing
part, e.g. diff or axle. Besides, the transplanted transmission made a
slightly pleasant
andrew strasfogel wrote:
How much do you want for it?
I think I paid $40 for it. Shipping to DC might cost a bit though.
What's the gear ratio?
3.69. I think a 1985 tranny/torque converter was intended to be paired with
2.88. Likewise your 1985 speedometer/odometer unit. I don't have the
Drivetrain noises can be hard to localize from inside the car. My
mother-in-law's car recently developed a bad wheel bearing (driver's
side rear) and the noise seemed to be generally in the rear of the car
but difficult to pinpoint beyond that.
Do you get the noise rolling in neutral?
andrew
mine. She loves the way those wagons
look. If you decide to sell yours let me know.
Manfred
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:43:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
The rear end is worn out
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On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:37 PM, andrew strasfogel
MG wrote:
I am also still looking for another 123 300TD for my daughter so she
will stop trying to get mine. She loves the way those wagons look. If
you decide to sell yours let me know.
100 miles north of me:
http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/2536917563.html
Wow - great deal if it runs well! Even has a spare engine. :))
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
MG wrote:
I am also still looking for another 123 300TD for my daughter so she will
stop trying to get mine. She loves the way those wagons look. If you
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Subject: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD that
gets louder under load. Seems to come from
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Subject: [MBZ] Unexplained whining noise in my W123 300TD
Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD that
gets louder under load. Seems to come from the rear but not 100 percent
certain. It gets VERY loud going up hills, accompanied by an ominous
grinding
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Went out for another drive. Noise pitch varies with engine speed, not road
speed. In neutral, coasting, there the noise abates. If I apply hard
throttle, there is a startling metallic grinding noise in the rear in
addition to the whistle/whine coupled with the gear
The swap was done back in May. Just remembered something else that might be
worth mentioning - I hit the curb with my right rear wheel before the
symptoms appeared. Coincidence? Irrelevant
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Went
Mitch Haley wrote:
MG wrote:
I am also still looking for another 123 300TD for my
daughter so she will stop trying to get mine. She loves the
way those wagons look. If you decide to sell yours let me
know.
100 miles north of me:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Went out for another drive. Noise pitch varies with engine
speed, not road speed. In neutral, coasting, there the noise
abates.
Then it has to be in the front of the transmission, or before
the transmission.
That rules out drive shaft, carrier bearing,
Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD that
gets louder under load. Seems to come from the rear but not 100 percent
certain. It gets VERY loud going up hills, accompanied by an ominous
grinding sound under load while driving uphill. The whining varies in pitch
The rear end is worn out
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:37 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD that
gets louder under load. Seems to come from the rear but not 100 percent
certain. It gets
SWMBO is right.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
The rear end is worn out
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2011, at 11:37 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in my 300TD
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Today I heard the onset of a very prominent whining noise in
my 300TD that gets louder under load.
The whining varies in pitch that
roughly matches engine/car speed.
Which one. If it matches the car speed, then it's after the
transmission or the transmission
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