Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-13 Thread Jim Cathey
> Ok, do you want to hear my top 10 list? :-) Of course! Beats another oil thread... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change deli

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-13 Thread E M
My vote goes for a 5.0L V8 W140. 560 SEL would be a close second, third, a W124 wagon with a 3.2L inline 6. Ok, do you want to hear my top 10 list? :-) Ed 300E On 14/11/2007, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My vote is for the 126 in big cars, and the 124 in the > mid-range. Never ow

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-13 Thread Loren Faeth
My vote is for the 126 in big cars, and the 124 in the mid-range. Never owned a 201, so I can't comment on them. My vote for the best car in the world, ever, is the 300SDL. If my memory is correct, the 126 was the last of the hand-touched bodies, as opposed to the robotic, untouched bodies.

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
electronic diesel system --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor 918-746-1400 x305 - Original Message - From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:11 PM Subject: R

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Christopher McCann
What is the EDS? Chris Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 10:38 PM, Peter Merle wrote: > Complexity is a lot > higher in w124 with electric cooloant pump, electronc idel speed , > electroic climate control etc etc > But all that stuff is optional, at least on the die

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Nov 11, 2007 10:38 PM, Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Complexity is a lot > higher in w124 with electric cooloant pump, electronc idel speed , > electroic climate control etc etc > But all that stuff is optional, at least on the diesels. Try disconnecting the EDS, for example (pull t

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Robert Rentfro
I bet you'll have to pay more than $500 for one... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mer

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Gary Hurst
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Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
uot; Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? > 1991 560SEL without a doubt. > > > Rusty Cullens > BuyMBparts, Inc. > Tel 1-800-741-5252 > Fax 770-454-9745 ___ http://www.okiebe

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-12 Thread Rusty Cullens
ct: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? >I say 123. > > Bob R. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Steve MacSween > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:37 AM > To: Mercedes List > Subject: [MBZ

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-11 Thread Peter Merle
w124 with electric cooloant pump, electronc idel speed , electroic climate control etc etc Peter -Original Message- From: LarryT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2007 02:09 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? When this

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-11 Thread Peter Merle
a joint venture with Steyr-puch ) so its pedigree is somewhat not pure. Peter -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 November 2007 22:58 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? The last "real" merced

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-11 Thread Peter Merle
Peter , how was crash protection poorer in later W124's than earlier ones" Peter -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 November 2007 20:15 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? First run of W14

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread tom savage
Peter Frederick wrote: > First few years were super high quality, even double pane glass in the > windows. Later ones had lesser materials in the interior, etc to keep > production cost down. First four years, maybe? I dunno, I can't find many instances of this between my '98 and the '95 that

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread tom savage
Steve MacSween wrote: > Does your definition of onerous extend to parts prices? Sort of. A 140 is certainly more complex and sophisticated than a 123, so it goes without saying that parts are overall more expensive, but I haven't found them to be prohibitively so. There's just more "car" in a 1

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I will trade you a 126 for your 140 if you want Walt Lasher wrote: > I would have to go with the W126 > > Walt Lasher > '92 S350 > Seattle > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: winmail.dat > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 2804 bytes > Desc

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread M.Affzaal.Khan
126 and the 108 /109 were excellent too . mak - Original Message - From: "Walt Lasher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes List" Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? >I would have to go with the W126 > &g

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Peter Frederick
W107 Chassis. From the W123 chassis on they are assembly line cars, due to the higher production numbers. Not much difference, really, except that parts are more standardized on the later models (less of the three non-interchangeable ones that only fix certain chassis numbers, like neutral saf

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Hmnnh, guess no one came up with the right answer. Ahh well what can I expect :-) Anyway just to finish this thread up with a definitive answer I shall tell you. The last real Mercedes (when you take into consideration all relevant criteria) is the seven seater 124 T. That's right you all say as

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread OK Don
SO, which Mercedes model was the last one with some hand fitting of components? I've heard a claim that it was the 560SEC, and I've heard someone else claim that it was the SLC -- Anyone have other opinions, or even facts to back them up? Does anyone care? > Again - Watching old video of the Porsc

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread LarryT
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[MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Walt Lasher
I would have to go with the W126 Walt Lasher '92 S350 Seattle -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2804 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread John M McIntosh
I think the pricing on w140 is undervalued because of the stigma of concern about repairs. This may result in great deals if you can find one that has the following fixed engine wiring harness evaporator vacuum pump lurking transmission issues beware of the sealed no fluid change ones. for t

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
n 1972 and guess what? It was the same complaints all over again. Don't we all collect, restore & drive these "Mercedes classics" today? Tom www.kegkits.com ----Original Message---- From: Trampas Sent: 11/10/07 01:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What w

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Tom Hargrave
Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message---- From: Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/10/07 01:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Trampas
126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? 140 Steve MacSween wrote: > This is based on price/qual

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Peter Frederick
First few years were super high quality, even double pane glass in the windows. Later ones had lesser materials in the interior, etc to keep production cost down. First four years, maybe? The real problem is flaky wiring and electronics (although much of the electronics problem could be short

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, the 115 vs 123 debate. that takes me back. i'm still driving 123s on account of that debate, even though i do have a 124 at the bottom of my driveway. 280ce beater is my current driver. simply. proven. rugged. dead reliable. painted in my driveway with no prep and cans of rustoleum. i'm

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 11/10/07 13:14, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > First run of W140s, except the electronics. Can you define 'first run' for me (I was off the list for quite a while and the 140 talk seems to have gained momentum in that time) This talk of 140s has me drooling. Always liked th

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Peter Frederick
Probably the BEST Benz every made, but out of production before the end of the W124s. I can personally vouch for the crash safety of the W124 chassis, and the W126 and W140 are better. Don't know about the later ones, I have my doubts. Peter ___ http://ww

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
140 Steve MacSween wrote: > This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for DIY, and > parts prices. > > I vote w124. > > Flames off list pls. > > Mac > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://w

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Chris Lane
What about the 126? On 11/10/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First run of W140s, except the electronics. > > The last really good ones were the W124 chassis, KE-Jet models. > > The newer ones suffer from lousy sheet metal and poor crash protection. > > Peter > > >

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Peter Frederick
First run of W140s, except the electronics. The last really good ones were the W124 chassis, KE-Jet models. The newer ones suffer from lousy sheet metal and poor crash protection. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: htt

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Steve MacSween
on 11/10/07 12:48, tom savage at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As to suitability for DIY, I've not (yet) found the 140 any more onerous > to work on than the 123. Nor is a 198 really any more difficult to keep > running, or less capable of daily driver duties, than a 107. Cost and > suitability for

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread tom savage
Steve MacSween wrote: > This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for DIY, and > parts prices. > > I vote w124. I'd say the definition is flexible depending on current prices and availability in the marketplace, as well as overall familiarity with a particular car. When I

Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Robert Rentfro
I say 123. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:37 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability

[MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

2007-11-10 Thread Steve MacSween
This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for DIY, and parts prices. I vote w124. Flames off list pls. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTEC