OK but where is my left rear footwell water coming from? Maybe the sunroof
or luggage rail bolts onto the headliner and down.
Cant remember whether I have a tailgate gasket out there or not. Spendy
little things.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:11 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
It's the lift gate on the wagon that is the known leaker. Never had an issue
with the passenger doors that I know of.
Rear fixed wagon side widows also leak when you get rust in the channels, but
puddles in the third seat footwell are almost always the liftgate gasket,
although the lift gate
I have the OE seals sitting on the shelf with the gooey OE sealant. Two are
done. The leak is at one of the old ones, so that makes sense.
My door gaps are a bit off on the left, so I was hoping to figure out how
to better align the front and rear doors before doing the rear seal. I mean
the
The rear door gasket is a known issue. Replace it while you can still get one!
I need to do this with mine, when parked level or nose down it gets water in
the third seat well, and in the door latch. Parked nose up, even a little,
bone dry.
The gasket leaks around the upper corners, I think.
The rear side window seals usually leak and rust the sills out at the front
bottom corner. Another point of possible entry.
I had water on the floor behind the drivers seat after this last rain. No
idea what the source is.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 4:57 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
Well the leak remains. We've had a couple heavier rains, water showed up
again on the passenger side. Reduced, but still there.
I looked at another 124 wagon for sale locally, which has the same issues
as mine: water leak resulting in water in the passenger side footwell and
water also shows up
We had some rain overnight, not a whole lot but it was heavy for a few
minutes.
No water inside today, so my confidence in my repair is growing. However,
I'm not declaring victory just yet, I still need a nice long heavy rain to
provide a more difficult test.
Background: I've had water leaking
That's a thought. Maybe we'll double team it, daughter will get passenger
side and I'll take driver's side.
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Max
Charleston SC
> I think she's about 12, so I was hoping she'd fit under there more easily
> than Max.
> Anyway, I don't think anybody drives through a car wash. You go
> On January 14, 2019 at 12:31 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> On 14/01/2019 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > Can you shove SWMBette under the dash with a good flashlight at the car
> > wash?
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > ___
>
>
On 14/01/2019 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On January 14, 2019 at 12:03 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
wrote:
After a bit of rain on Sunday, no water has appeared inside The White
Whale. Note that we didn't get a lot of rain, so I'm not declaring victory
yet. I'm cautiously
> On January 14, 2019 at 12:03 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> After a bit of rain on Sunday, no water has appeared inside The White
> Whale. Note that we didn't get a lot of rain, so I'm not declaring victory
> yet. I'm cautiously optimistic.
>
> Perhaps I'll run the car
After a bit of rain on Sunday, no water has appeared inside The White
Whale. Note that we didn't get a lot of rain, so I'm not declaring victory
yet. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Perhaps I'll run the car through a car wash later this week as a better
test.
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Max
Charleston SC
On
Those interstices are called leaf collectors. Saves raking..
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM MG via Mercedes
wrote:
> Max, I don't know about the whale but on the
> 123s there is a place below the hood hinges
> on each side that gets filled with leaves and
> tends to rust out way at the back
Max, I don't know about the whale but on the
123s there is a place below the hood hinges
on each side that gets filled with leaves and
tends to rust out way at the back under the
cowling if not cleaned. You may need to blow
out with air and then look with a good strong
light to see back
The tray under the evap drains directly under, on top and to the sides
of the trans, it would get rainwater only if the airbox is broken or
somehow gets rainwater into the plenums feeding air to or from the
heater/evap/
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 1/8/19 6:58 AM:
Thats exactly
no
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 1/8/19 6:26 AM:
Are the AC drains the same ones that drain the fresh air intake?
-Curt
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 7:22:02 AM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes
wrote:
No, but the water appears with rain, not with AC use. Sometimes lots of water
ok
Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 1/8/19 6:21 AM:
No, but the water appears with rain, not with AC use. Sometimes lots of water
after a hard rain. I can drive all day with the AC running, no water appears.
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Thats exactly what I was thinking. I don't have any facts to back up the idea
but it seems like a reasonable one. It would also explain your continued water,
a slow leak from an evap box that had a bunch of water in it...
-Curt
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 7:56:27 AM EST, Meade Dillon
I'm not sure, I think the intake has multiple drains. There are two up
high at the base of the mono-wiper in the plastic cowling, two at the
outside windows of the windshield. I know those are all clear. There may
be more drains lower down below the HVAC blower fan, it would make sense to
have
Are the AC drains the same ones that drain the fresh air intake?
-Curt
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 7:22:02 AM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes
wrote:
No, but the water appears with rain, not with AC use. Sometimes lots of water
after a hard rain. I can drive all day with the AC running,
No, but the water appears with rain, not with AC use. Sometimes lots of water
after a hard rain. I can drive all day with the AC running, no water appears.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
On January 8, 2019 12:09:55 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes
wrote:
>have you rodded the evap drains from
If you had been paying attention you would know that we ruled that out
because Meade hasn't been running the AC.
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:10 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> FL 87 POS 300d had both hoses rotted away, put evap water into the
> footwells.
>
>
FL 87 POS 300d had both hoses rotted away, put evap water into the
footwells.
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 1/7/19 4:51 PM:
Not if only once side hose was rotted out.
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have you rodded the evap drains from down under?
Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 1/7/19 4:48 PM:
Condensation would probably show up on both left and right floor boards, so I
don't think that is the issue.
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> On January 7, 2019 at 7:47 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> Or I could sell the car during the next dry spell or to someone out west.
Hey, Bob...I know where there's a cheap car with a better head gasket than your
Subaru.
Mitch.
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On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 7:48 PM, Max Dillon via
Mercedes wrote: Yeah, with a Monte-Carlo simulation of
all the possible openings that rust can make, or factory rubber that could
fail, to isolate the most likely places.
Or I
Yeah, with a Monte-Carlo simulation of all the possible openings that rust can
make, or factory rubber that could fail, to isolate the most likely places.
Or I could sell the car during the next dry spell or to someone out west.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
On January 7, 2019 6:50:01 PM EST,
You need a 3D model of the car and then you can run a rainfall
simulation on it and watch where the water goes.
--FT
On 1/7/19 3:30 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
I'm reconsidering the failure (or success) of my attempt at stopping the
water entry. We haven't had any rain for the last
OK, that rules out my theory. No prize for me. :(
How about renting a fog generator?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:03 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> AC has not been used much lately, and the water almost always shows up
> with rain. I have not noticed the water
AC has not been used much lately, and the water almost always shows up with
rain. I have not noticed the water showing up when I use the AC, and I did get
water inside when using a hose on the car, no AC as the car was shut off.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
On January 7, 2019 5:34:48 PM EST,
I can check the passenger doors for plugged drains. The door seals appear to be
intact; I have done the hose test and looked all over inside the car while my
lovely assistant applied the water, and it just starts to well up as if by
magic. Keep in mind the body is painted white, so finding a
Not if only once side hose was rotted out.
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> On Jan 7, 2019, at 4:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Condensation would probably show up on both left and right floor boards, so I
> don't think that is the issue.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
>> On
Condensation would probably show up on both left and right floor boards, so I
don't think that is the issue.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
On January 7, 2019 4:00:48 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:
>
>> On January 7, 2019 at 3:30 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm
I already suggested that but with less eloquence.
The elephant in the room is where does the water come from if not rain? I
suggest clogged AC condenser drains, assuming the AC has been used on a
daily basis.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:26 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
And, you can make rain with a sprinkler for testing. If it does not
rain, park under a sprinkler and see if the water inside is worse
afterwards, or else drive through an automatic car wash.
RB who is a master of the obvious sometimes
On 07/01/2019 2:30 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
Are you certain that window seals etc are tight? Rust holes or bad
grommet or something similar on the firewall or the plenum under the
wipers? Drain holes in the bottom of the doors plugged up? I was getting
water onto the floor in my truck because the doors had water in them.
The holes got a
I'll check coolant.
How would I rule out condensation? Humidity level in the car is elevated now,
but only goes above ambient when sun warms the car.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
On January 7, 2019 4:00:48 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:
>
>> On January 7, 2019 at 3:30 PM Meade
> On January 7, 2019 at 3:30 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
> I'm reconsidering the failure (or success) of my attempt at stopping the
> water entry. We haven't had any rain for the last few days, yet today I am
> still getting water on the passenger floorboards,
You've ruled
I'm reconsidering the failure (or success) of my attempt at stopping the
water entry. We haven't had any rain for the last few days, yet today I am
still getting water on the passenger floorboards, which I mop up with an
old detailing towel. I've done this mop-up routine for last three days,
but
I had a surprise the other day on the 87 when I pulled the belly pan and
> the frame rail started draining a bunch of water through the screw hole. It
> rained about 2 inches with the front end up so it ran into the engine
> compartment somehow. I later found the firewall drains were plugged below
I've eliminated the following as sources of the leak: sunroof, roof rail.
I've found and patched one hole on the firewall.
There is major rust-through on the rocker right at the back of the front
right fender. I haven't considered that as the source, because I don't get
any change in water
My point was that the w/s is NOT always the problem, and that the universal
best way IMO to troubleshoot is to crawl under the dash and observe while
the car is getting doused.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 4:20 PM Curt Raymond wrote:
> 124 cars have very little to do with 123 cars window-wise. The
124 cars have very little to do with 123 cars window-wise. The window glass in
a 124 (as in a 201) is glued in place, there is no rubber seal...
-Curt
On Friday, December 28, 2018, 4:08:34 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
Mercedes wrote:
I have to say I'm not surprised. These leaks are
I have to say I'm not surprised. These leaks are one of the most
challeging issues with 123 cars, so 124 ought to be the same. I have
replaced seals and w/s on my 123 wagon, to no avail. The only way to solve
this is to remove the PS kick panel and have someone spray the car all over
the front
Well back to the drawing board. Today there was more water on the
passenger side.
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Max
Charleston SC
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 6:07 PM Max Dillon wrote:
> I think I found the leak. See picture in this Google Drive folder.
>
>
Great work.
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 3:08 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes I think I found the leak. See picture in this Google Drive folder.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>
> The roof rack rail sits in a channel. In that channel there is a seam,
> sealed with
Attaboy!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Looks like good call.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Dec 27, 2018 6:08 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
> wrote:
>
>> I think I found the leak. See picture in
Looks like good call.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Dec 27, 2018 6:08 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
wrote:
> I think I found the leak. See picture in this Google Drive folder.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>
> The roof rack rail sits in a channel.
I think I found the leak. See picture in this Google Drive folder.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
The roof rack rail sits in a channel. In that channel there is a seam, sealed
with caulk. Seam runs the length of the car. Caulk is old, cracking. Worse
place
Today I had resolved to use the nice weather and time off from work to
address the water leaking into my '87 wagon.
Dan had early offered that the nuts holding down the roof rails were not
too bad to get to, just pull back the headliner a bit by the doors and the
rear luggage compatment (no need
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