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2016-01-05 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
No, it's a horizontal tank. It's what I see mostly around here in the country - they all look like mine. I don't know if they call it a pig, though it is expensive to feed here in OK. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: __ Is the 500 gall

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2016-01-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 04/01/2016 9:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On January 4, 2016 at 10:07 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Same problem, you're not going to have much run time on a single 100# bottle. The filled bottle weighs way more than 100# too. Of course it'll always run out on a cold night

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2016-01-05 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 04/01/2016 8:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Mitch sez: The tank discharges gas, which means it gets cold from liquid boiling off inside it when the furnace runs. Might not be a problem in Okie temps, but when it's -30 outside, the tank has to be reasonably large in comparison to th

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2016-01-04 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Craig wrote: > > > fmiser wrote: > > > > Here is a handy reference for LP gas. > > http://www.bergquistinc.com/sites/default/files/academy_guides/Handbook.pdf > > Thank you Your welcome. *smiles* > P.S. Have you been affected by the flooding in Missouri? I have a reply to your earlier query

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2016-01-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
On Jan 4, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Same problem, you're not going to have much run time on a single 100# bottle. The filled bottle weighs way more than 100# too. Of course it'll always run out on a cold night when you're trying to get something done... > -C

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2016-01-04 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
We have a 500 gal. tank that use to run the furnace and hot water heater. Switched to natural gas when it went through 35 or so years ago. Still use it for the shop (not attached to the house) and one baseboard heater in the addition I don't use much. I suspect I will have to have it insp

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2016-01-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Mitch sez: The tank discharges gas, which means it gets cold from liquid boiling off inside it when the furnace runs. Might not be a problem in Okie temps, but when it's -30 outside, the tank has to be reasonably large in comparison to the furnace or you get into boiling point problems and lo

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2016-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
00# too. > Of course it'll always run out on a cold night when you're trying to get > something done... > > -Curt > > From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:24 PM

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2016-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
ith no snow.  I decided not to go so of course Tuesday they got 2 feet... -Curt From: Mitch Haley To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] More shop heater > On January 4, 2016 at 10:07 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes >

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2016-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 4, 2016 at 10:07 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Same problem, you're not going to have much run time on a single 100# bottle. > The filled bottle weighs way more than 100# too. > Of course it'll always run out on a cold night when you're trying to get > something done

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2016-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
edes Discussion List Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] More shop heater 2 gal an hour. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Didn't you say it was like 4 gal an ho

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2016-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes per heater. I'm planning on only running one of them. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > >> On January 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" >> wrote: >> >> >> 2 gal an hour. > > Per heater? > A gallon is something

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2016-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 4, 2016 at 8:24 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > 2 gal an hour. > Per heater? A gallon is something like 95k BTU. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscrib

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2016-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
2 gal an hour. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Didn't you say it was like 4 gal an hour? 100# can only has 25 gallons... > > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > From:"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > Date:Mon, Jan 4, 20

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2016-01-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
There are only two suppliers in the Tampa area that I know of, Hillsboro Gas and TECO, our electrical utility. When we moved into this house there was a TECO branded tank on the side of the house that fed the outdoor oven. I called TECO to see what would be involved in getting it filled. They

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2016-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Didn't you say it was like 4 gal an hour? 100# can only has 25 gallons... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" Date:Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 8:14 PM Subject:Re: [MBZ] More shop heater I see used 4-500 gallon ones here for $4-500. I am just worried about them

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2016-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I see used 4-500 gallon ones here for $4-500. I am just worried about them either being leased or leaking. Do these things leak? I'm thinking I'm probably going with my original play and get a 100lb portable cylinder. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes

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2016-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > You are better off to own. Then you can buy propane whenever you > want, from whoever you want to buy from. I forgot to say, everybody around here claims it's illegal for them to deliver to me until I pay their tech to leak

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2016-01-04 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On January 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > You are better off to own. Then you can buy propane whenever you > want, from whoever you want to buy from. The place I buy from charges an extra .20 per gallon for using their tank. Everybody gets at least .10 for it. If

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2016-01-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Yea most people lease them I think. You are better off to own. Then you can buy propane whenever you want, from whoever you want to buy from. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change d

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2016-01-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Buy one outright, it will be cheaper in the long run. We bought the tank that was at the house we built down here, and we saved a bundle over time. The lease thing is a screw and also prevents you from buying fuel from another supplier. That was one of the things that helped pay for our tank

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2016-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea most people lease them I think. On 1/4/2016 6:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Own it. It's my back-up energy source. I didn't know that they leased propane tanks . . . On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Do you own the tank or l

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2016-01-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Own it. It's my back-up energy source. I didn't know that they leased propane tanks . . . On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Do you own the tank or lease it? > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedne

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2016-01-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Do you own the tank or lease it? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:16 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Well, if it's too much heat for you, maybe I need one for the hangar - 2000 > sq. ft. I have a 500 gallon propane tank that I only use for the gas grill > now . . . > > > > -- >

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2016-01-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:45:59 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > Here is a handy reference for LP gas. > http://www.bergquistinc.com/sites/default/files/academy_guides/Handbook.pdf Thank you, Philip, for the reference. Craig P.S. Have you been affected by the flooding in Missouri?

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2016-01-04 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Kaleb wrote: > > I pulled the nozzles out of one of the heaters today, > Sticker on the heater says nozzle size 23 (23 what not sure.) I think it's standard for the orifice size to be listed in drill number size. > I found the manual online and it shows orifice size 23 > natural gas and propan

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2016-01-04 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
in it which with a bunch of cars can take some time. In my estimation you can't have too much heat in a shop... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] More shop heater The rule of

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2016-01-03 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
OK Don writes : >Well, if it's too much heat for you, >maybe I need one for the hangar - >2000 >sq. ft. I have a 500 gallon propane >tank that I only use for the gas >grill >now . . . There you go! Set the thermostat for 35 degrees or so, and condensation corrosion will be reduced. Rick  Sent 

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2016-01-03 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Well, if it's too much heat for you, maybe I need one for the hangar - 2000 sq. ft. I have a 500 gallon propane tank that I only use for the gas grill now . . . -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* –

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2016-01-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] More shop heater The rule of thumb is about 4 BTUs per cubic foot for an 8 foot ceiling and good insulation. You’ve got a 2400 SF area, and if you figure 16 foot ceiling height on average,  you’ve got

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2016-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well for me once I have something pulled in the shop I won't be in and out the big overhead doors really. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > How often did they have the doors open? Much in and out traffic and you need > some serious h

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2016-01-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I have not measured it but its at least 16' for sure, maybe 18'. Yes it has a hip roof. On 1/3/2016 3:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: How high is the ceiling, or the roof? I presume it's got a hip roof. Dan 16' wall gable roof, trusses, so add 10,000 sq ft for the space above the wa

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2016-01-03 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
How often did they have the doors open? Much in and out traffic and you need some serious heat to stay warm while working. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

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2016-01-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The rule of thumb is about 4 BTUs per cubic foot for an 8 foot ceiling and good insulation. You’ve got a 2400 SF area, and if you figure 16 foot ceiling height on average, you’ve got more than enough to heat the place nice and toasty warm. Dan > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Me

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2016-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I have not measured it but its at least 16' for sure, maybe 18'. Yes it has a hip roof. On 1/3/2016 3:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: How high is the ceiling, or the roof? I presume it’s got a hip roof. Dan On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: 40x60 I

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2016-01-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
How high is the ceiling, or the roof? I presume it’s got a hip roof. Dan > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > 40x60 I believe. > > On 1/3/2016 3:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> What are the dimensions of the place? >> >> Dan >> >> >>> On Jan

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2016-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
40x60 I believe. On 1/3/2016 3:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: What are the dimensions of the place? Dan On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: This shop is very well insulated. For me if it is 60 its probably going to be well warm enough for me.

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2016-01-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
What are the dimensions of the place? Dan > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > This shop is very well insulated. For me if it is 60 its probably going to > be well warm enough for me. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

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2016-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
This shop is very well insulated. For me if it is 60 its probably going to be well warm enough for me. On 1/3/2016 3:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: It all has to do with the volume of the shop space and whether or not the building is insulated, as well as how warm the owner wanted to k

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2016-01-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It all has to do with the volume of the shop space and whether or not the building is insulated, as well as how warm the owner wanted to keep the place based on outside air temperature. Dan > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well there are 2 of them o

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2016-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well there are 2 of them on each end of the shop. They are 200,000 btu units which seems like WAY overkill to me. I would think I would only be running one of them. I am not really sure why they put 2 of them in here but we shall see. I am going to order the kit because it seems the air sh

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2016-01-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It probably is referring to drill size, a common measurement. As Peter mentioned, there are a lot of reasons NOT to use the wrong orifice, even though they will work. You risk doing some serious damage and they won’t be near as efficient as they could be. Buy the conversion kit with the new or

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2016-01-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
They are Modine which it appears you can still get the exact model. It further reading it talks about adjust air shutters for propane use which appear to be round deals that fit over the nozzles. I do not have them on mine. I think I'm going to get the proper kit which appears to be around $50 o

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2016-01-03 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Typically there is also a screw or post in line with the orifice to get better mixing with the propane, but I don't know if that's obligatory or not. You should be fine, but make sure you get the proper flame color (just a hint of yellow at the tip, flames "attached" to the holes in the b