Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-12 Thread Randy Bennell
I think, the last you heard, she loves the Honda Accord that replaced it. So far so good with it. Randy On 11/08/2011 7:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I thought the last we heard she loved the toada? On 11/08/2011 4:33 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/au

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Is the failure mode of electric power steering the same as that of a traditional hydraulic system? I would think that the increase in steering effort would be even greater since you'd be fighting the permanent magnets in the electric motor. Yes, but it isn't too terrib

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
The failure mode is purely hydraulic... But it does require additional pedal effort since there is no vacuum booster like a normal car. This isn't really much of a problem since your first reaction when you realize the brake pedal doesn't do what it normally does is to just push it harder. I've

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > I would guess (hope?) that a completely "by-wire" brake system that > didn't have a direct hydraulic failover mode would not meet with DOT > approval.  These are cars, not fighter jets. > The DOT apparently had no problem approving drive-by-w

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Allan Streib
Sounds bad, but not deadly. From the 2nd link, when the system goes into failure mode: ... the driver has braking power sufficient to stop the vehicle, although greater brake pedal pressure is required, and the brake pedal travel will be longer. I would guess (hope?) that a completely "by-

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Dieselhead
I thought the last we heard she loved the toada? On 11/08/2011 4:33 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_mercedes_working_brake_2/ This isn't a fix, it's a band-aid. Problem: the ECU is programmed for a failsafe mode that deactivates the brakes. Solu

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Randy Bennell
On 11/08/2011 4:33 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_mercedes_working_brake_2/ This isn't a fix, it's a band-aid. Problem: the ECU is programmed for a failsafe mode that deactivates the brakes. Solution: reduce the likelihood of one of the events tha

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_mercedes_working_brake_2/ This isn't a fix, it's a band-aid. Problem: the ECU is programmed for a failsafe mode that deactivates the brakes. Solution: reduce the likelihood of one of the events that would cause it to enter the dangerous fai

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Somehow this escaped my attention at the time. Maybe I should subscribe to a less Luddite group, like the Hitler List? http://www.germancarforum.com/mercedes-benz-lounge/1398-mercedes-drop-sbc-brake-system.html http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_mercedes_working_brake_2/

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:32 PM, wrote: > You are aware that the SBC brakes fitted to the W211 have an extended > warranty due to all the troubles. Not one of MB's best efforts. Small block Chevy brakes? (I know it's Something Brake Control.) > Also, don't buy a W211 older than a 2006. If you

Re: [MBZ] W211 SBC

2011-08-11 Thread RELNGSON
> ...No, I don't.  :)  Please explain.  I will be in the market for a W211 > soon (I just need to decide which is more important, CDI or AWD) and > it'd be nice to know which crazy noises are normal and which aren't... > You are aware that the SBC brakes fitted to the W211 have an extended warran