Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-13 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, Jacob Lifshay wrote: > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:39 AM Jason Ekstrand > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:27 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton < > l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > >> jason i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what jacob wrote, does > it alleviate

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-13 Thread Jacob Lifshay
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:39 AM Jason Ekstrand wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:27 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: >> jason i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on what jacob wrote, does it >> alleviate your concerns, (we're not designing hardware specifically around >> vec2/3

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-13 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:27 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > On Monday, January 13, 2020, Jacob Lifshay > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 3:56 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton >> wrote: >> > >> >> > jacob perhaps you could clarify, here? >> >> So the major issue with the approac

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-13 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Monday, January 13, 2020, Jacob Lifshay wrote: > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 3:56 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: > > > > > jacob perhaps you could clarify, here? > > So the major issue with the approach AMDGPU took where the SIMT to > predicated vector translation is done by the LLVM bac

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-13 Thread Jacob Lifshay
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 3:56 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On 1/9/20, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > >> 2. as a flexible Vector Processor, soft-programmable, then over time if > >> the industry moves to dropping vec4, so can we. > >> > > > > That's very nice. My primary reason for sending t

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-09 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 1/9/20, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > Hopefully that makes the trade-off make more sense. One other important > factor is that, even if vec4 could, in theory, be more efficient, it's way > easier to write a compiler if you scalarize everything. hi jason, really appreciated the additional insight.

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-08 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:55 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 9, 2020, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > >> Drive-by comment: >> > > really appreciate the feedback. > > >> I don't think you actually want to base any decisions an a vec4 >> architecture. Nearly every company

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-08 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thursday, January 9, 2020, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > Drive-by comment: > really appreciate the feedback. > I don't think you actually want to base any decisions an a vec4 > architecture. Nearly every company in the graphics industry thought that > was a good idea and designed vec4 processors

Re: [Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-08 Thread Jason Ekstrand
Drive-by comment: I don't think you actually want to base any decisions an a vec4 architecture. Nearly every company in the graphics industry thought that was a good idea and designed vec4 processors. Over the course of the last 15 years or so they have all, one by one, realized that it was a ba

[Mesa-dev] NLNet Funded development of a software/hardware MESA driver for the Libre GPGPU

2020-01-08 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
(if responding on mesa-dev please do cc me to help preserve the thread, i am subscribed in digest mode, thanks) the NLNet funding application documented here was successful: https://libre-riscv.org/nlnet_2019_amdvlk_port/ we therefore have money (direct payment of tax free, tax deductible donatio