Re: OS X Educational Shareware Market?

Richard MacLemale wrote: > So I'm wondering if anyone might be willing to share their thoughts > about the OS X educational software market? With OS X adoption riding optimistically at 30%, and with Rev able to deliver to OS X, Classic and Windows, what's the interest in OS X in edu? Just curious

OS X Educational Shareware Market?

I used to program educational shareware, about 5 years ago, and I'm wondering if it might be time to hop back into the Macintosh educational shareware market, and I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on that. I think that, with many schools doing Mac OS X migration, there's a whole market of e

Re: Why maintain Metacard

At 1:25PM -0700 7/11/03, Richard MacLemale wrote: >I wonder if this will continue under Rev? I also wonder where the Darwin >(OS X) engine for Rev is on their downloads page. There's no OS X or Darwin >engine of Rev listed for downloading... It's at

Re: Getting the system profile

Yates, Glen writes: >msinfo32.exe /report output.txt > >Then it will create a text file 'output.txt' with the system info in it that >you can then parse for the info you need. The only drawback is it takes a >little while to run. You may be able to narrow it down to just the category >you need

RE: CD update...

On 7/11/03 5:14 PM, Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, > Subject: RE: CD update... > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Yes, would be much better to put them in a form that anybody (who uses a >> REAL operating system) would recognize such as .tar.gz >> >> -Glen > > You and my fella would get along

Resource Fork Stripper Available (was Re: CD update)

Recently, "Shari" wrote: > Sounds like it's time to take you up on that offer, of the stack to > strip the fork The stack can be downloaded from here: http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/stripresfork.mc.zip Please note this is a utilitarian stack and not a polished tool. It is not designed

Re: metacard digest, Vol 1 #707 - 16 msgs

On 7/11/03 4:23 PM, Shari wrote: > As a rule, I do create a resource fork, and store things in it, that the > PPC version uses. As I often end up compiling * many * times before I > am satisfied, it saves a ton of work in editing the resource fork for > every compile. The info is just there. So

Re: Getting the system profile

Recently, "Yates, Glen" wrote: > Oh, and as far as operating systems, if it ends in X that is a good sign :-) > > Irix, AIX, OSX, Linux > > Although, somehow Solaris doesn't quite fit in. Solarix ? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design - E: [EMAIL PROT

Re: Smaller than milliseconds?

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Ray G. Miller wrote: Ok, who's faster now! Errr! I am pleased that we can get the longs in 2 to 4 microseconds. Dar Scott Dar Scott Consultinghttp://www.swcp.com/dsc/P

RE: Getting the system profile

> >msinfo32.exe /report output.txt > > > >Then it will create a text file 'output.txt' with the system > info in it that > >you can then parse for the info you need. The only drawback > is it takes a > >little while to run. You may be able to narrow it down to > just the category > >you need, th

RE: CD update...

Yes, would be much better to put them in a form that anybody (who uses a REAL operating system) would recognize such as .tar.gz -Glen You and my fella would get along well. He is a high level IBM tech support dude. When the field techs can't figure it out, they call in. And when THOSE guys can

Re: CD update...

Your "Macentricity" is showing again. We Windows users barely or not-at-all recognize .SIT and .HQX miscdas I would have included .zip just for you, Miscdas, but as I ended up creating .exe files instead of .zip files well I guess you'd know those, too, eh?? ;-) -- --Shareware Games for th

Re: CD update...

This does not eliminate the resource fork, it only empties it. The ZIP problem will still occur. Regards, Scott Rossi Sounds like it's time to take you up on that offer, of the stack to strip the fork :-) Shari C -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com __

RE: Getting the system profile

msinfo32.exe /report output.txt Then it will create a text file 'output.txt' with the system info in it that you can then parse for the info you need. The only drawback is it takes a little while to run. You may be able to narrow it down to just the category you need, though. -Glen How would one n

Re: Smaller than milliseconds?

From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You can get even shorter times on the longs, if you throw away the > first long of each type. For example... >put the long seconds into junk > Put that just before your first use of the long seconds. Do likewise > with other longs. The original way: t

Re: Resource forks

On 7/11/03 4:23 PM, Shari wrote: As a rule, I do create a resource fork, and store things in it, that the PPC version uses. As I often end up compiling * many * times before I am satisfied, it saves a ton of work in editing the resource fork for every compile. The info is just there. So I wo

Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!

If nothing else, MC 2.5 doesn't support nifty things like drawers, slated for a future release. New Macs run Classic, they just won't boot into Classic natively. This destroys only a subset of Classic applications. ;) I didn't realize this. I've heard a lot of talk that Classic simply will not r

Re: CD update...

The OS vendors recommend writing data into designated user folders. Fortunately the locations of these can be obtained easily with MC's specialFolderPath function, and if you're not writing your own installer most installer packages make putting files into these directories easy. -- Richard Gaskin

Re: Resource forks

Recently, "Shari" wrote: > As a rule, I do create a resource fork, and store things in it, that > the PPC version uses. As I often end up compiling * many * times > before I am satisfied, it saves a ton of work in editing the resource > fork for every compile. The info is just there. If your g

Re: Multiple instances on Mac OS X

On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 20:04, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Is there a flag that can be set on OS X to have an app run in a separate > instance each time it is opened as it does on all other OSes? Richard, This is probably available in using the darwin engine in console mode and, perhaps, from within th

Re:Resource forks

Shari wrote: A I did not know this! Enlightenment! I do create one set of files in MC, cross platform, and of course there is a resource fork. It doesn't matter that Windows doesn't need the fork, as the code works around it for Windows. Could I not simply delete the items in the r

RE: CD update...

> Shari writes: > [snip] > > > > As for built-in MC compressors... better to put the file in > a format that > > most are familiar with. Such as .sit, .hqx files. > Especially if there is > > a chance they may want to actually upload the file > somewhere. Here it is, > > already perfectly

Re: Why maintain Metacard

Scott Raney and others who answer my questions, Thanks for the clarification. That makes more sense. So we should think of the "license" as basically being able to write long scripts. What threw me, but what I didn't put in the last message, was that with the Darwin MetaCard engine, there IS no

Re: CD update...

Shari writes: [snip] As for built-in MC compressors... better to put the file in a format that most are familiar with. Such as .sit, .hqx files. Especially if there is a chance they may want to actually upload the file somewhere. Here it is, already perfectly packaged :-) Shari C -- --Share

Re: Why maintain Metacard

Scott Raney wrote: > You'll see more about how they plan to develop "quite a > following" in the weeks and months ahead. While we've been praising Scott for his best-in-the-industry support, giving credit where due we should take a moment to acknowledge Kevin & Co's excellence in marketing: RunR

Re: 2 upgrades are guaranteed

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RCS wrote: > > > I don't think this has been discussed enough. As someone > > who just paid $300 for : > > > > "free access to all MetaCard updates that are released or go to > > beta within that 1 year period. At least 2 upgrades a

Re: Why maintain Metacard

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 Richard MacLemale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me see if I understand this correctly, and if not, someone correct me... OK ;-) > 1. The MetaCard engine was bought by RunRev. > 2. Under RunRev, the same rules about the engine still apply... Meaning you > can get the eng

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

On 7/11/03 1:01 PM, Shari wrote: This brings up a question. I remember when I initially tested Rev vs. MC, Rev required a LOT more memory. Now if I have a project, and compile it in Rev, and MC, will it require more memory in Rev? The extra RAM is mostly for the IDE. Once your stacks become s

Re: Smaller than milliseconds?

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:24 PM, Ray G. Miller wrote: Looks like mine is a bit quicker ;-) You can get even shorter times on the longs, if you throw away the first long of each type. For example... put the long seconds into junk Put that just before your first use of the long seco

Re: Smaller than milliseconds?

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:54 PM, Ray G. Miller wrote: Adding three more zeros yielded: 1057948840.14027500152587890625000 1057948841.41388595104217529296880 1057948842.74860799312591552734380 1057948848.56447696685791015625000 1057948852.67774403095245361328120 1057948979.9996550083160400390

Re: Why maintain Metacard

On 7/11/03 1:07 PM, Richard MacLemale wrote: But if the improvements in the engine, at that time, are going to also impact a free, open source version of MetaCard, then... Well then, couldn't you just use Open Source MetaCard and save the money? The biggest difference between Open Source MetaCard

Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!

From: Alain Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now, like I said... If I were to be able to trade my 2.5 license right now for a Rev 2.0.1 license, in an even trade, I would do it and Revolution would have one more user. Revolution wouldn't make any money off of me right now, but they're not going to anywa

Re: Why maintain Metacard

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 11:15 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richard MacLemale wrote: So, hypothetically speaking, say I've got a friend who is interested in MetaCard but never wanted to put out a grand to buy it. The engine has always been a free thing. Now the GUI is open sourced, and free.

Re: Smaller than milliseconds?

From: Nelson Zink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Microseconds? Now we're talkin'. OK, here's the deal: A high quality Random Number Generator (RNG) needs two things: a good seed and a clever algorithm to turn the seed into pattern-less numbers. Nelson, Just running Dar's script with a pause between click

Re: CD update...

Recently, "Shari" wrote: > A I did not know this! Enlightenment! I do create one set > of files in MC, cross platform, and of course there is a resource > fork. It doesn't matter that Windows doesn't need the fork, as the > code works around it for Windows. There is no resource fork c

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

Geoff Canyon wrote: > In short, (putting it bluntly) why would anyone want to spend effort > maintaining/updating MetaCard's development environment when the > Revolution environment is also customizable? Very different levels of customizability. For example the Rev license expressly forbids mod

RE: Getting the system profile

> > sorry > > > > C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared>msinfo32 > > 'msinfo32' is not recognized as an internal or external command, > > operable program or batch file. > > > > can't be retrieved from a vanilla mswin2000 > > Totally not surprising that you don't find msinfo32.exe on

Re: Smaller than milliseconds?

From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> try this: on mouseUp put the long seconds into time1 put the long seconds into time2 put "the long seconds: " & time2 && "delta: " & (time2-time1) & LF into field "Report" put the ticks into time1 put the ticks into time2 put "the ticks: " & t

Re: Why maintain Metacard

Richard MacLemale wrote: > So, hypothetically speaking, say I've got a friend who is interested in > MetaCard but never wanted to put out a grand to buy it. The engine has > always been a free thing. Now the GUI is open sourced, and free. Does this > mean that MetaCard 2.5 is now free? The GUI

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

But for those who have been using MC for a long time, the extra palettes, libraries, and interface elements can get in the way. Someone mentioned speed, and that's a consideration too; it does take somewhat longer for Rev's palettes to load and display their data -- noticeably more time than th

Multiple instances on Mac OS X

Is there a flag that can be set on OS X to have an app run in a separate instance each time it is opened as it does on all other OSes? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site

Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!

Shari wrote: >>> There's a decent chance that MetaCard 2.5 will run on the Mac OS for >>> another 5 years without breaking. >> >> Just as HyperCard runs smoothly under Classic on my iceBook ;-)) > > Ah but OSX surely breaks Hypercard, unless you are running in Classic > mode. And the new boxes

Re: CD update...

Shari wrote: > To ensure that some idiot does not try to run the program directly > off the CD. All of my programs write to themselves, or to files > within the program's folder. And they do this frequently. I would > have to rewrite the whole program to let it be run off a CD. Much > easier t

Re: Why maintain Metacard

On 7/11/03 12:03 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: RCS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Why maintain Metacard > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The user license is different for MetaCard... > > JR > >> In short, (putting it bluntly) why would a

Re: CD update...

Shari wrote: > A I did not know this! Enlightenment! I do create one set > of files in MC, cross platform, and of course there is a resource > fork. It doesn't matter that Windows doesn't need the fork, as the > code works around it for Windows. > > Could I not simply delete the items

Murphy's Law...

I think the universe is trying to give me a message ... to give up the idea of taking CD's to the Shareware Industry Conference. Finally it is ready to burn, I had to give up a few things, but it is ready. Now my CD burner is acting up. It was fine last night. Today it is not fine. I lef

Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!

> There's a decent chance that MetaCard 2.5 will run on the Mac OS for another 5 years without breaking. Just as HyperCard runs smoothly under Classic on my iceBook ;-)) Ah but OSX surely breaks Hypercard, unless you are running in Classic mode. And the new boxes don't even support Classic mode

Re: CD update...

Shari: Not sure if you're already aware of this but just in case... If you try to ZIP a set of Mac files on a Mac and some of these files contain Mac resource forks, you'll likely wind up with a corrupted ZIP that either will not open, or will result in corrupted (unopenable) files when unZIPed.

RE: CD update...

> One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as you wish: Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the cd is there. Once they discover that it won't run without the 300MB file, t

RE: CD update...

Shari, just a stupid question but why would you want to zip or stuff something on a cd? Are these stack bigger than a cd? The less "other software" you depend on, the better. This includes OS specific features... So, the more generic your software, the better... By now, you should know how to mak

Re: Anomalies

However, I disagree that this is an anomaly. The random(x) function is defined to return an integer in the range from 1 up to round(x). You can define your own function, say, rnd(), based on random() and use that in your scripts. It will take less time than sending a note to Kevin. You can u

Re: Moving the MC IDE forward

On 7/11/03 12:03 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Out of curiosity, what is it that the MetaCard development environment has that the Revolution environment doesn't? Or, what is it that MetaCard _doesn't_ have that can't be hidden or > done away with in Revolution? The second statement is more likely on

Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!

Richard MacLemale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a decent chance that MetaCard 2.5 will run on the Mac OS for > another 5 years without breaking. Just as HyperCard runs smoothly under Classic on my iceBook ;-)) ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PRO

Re:http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2003-July/005502.html

Mathewson wrote: > 2. Metacarders are going to have to face the simple fact > that just as HYPERCARD was > superseded by METACARD and SUPERCARD, METACARD (I > won't even bother to mention > S-Card) has been superseded by RUNTIME REVOLUTION. With one difference: 90% of Revolution IS MetaCard. It

RE: CD update...

> One last solution for you to use the cd in a protected manner as you wish: > Put a 300MB semi-random file on your cd and read a part of it with known > data. Users wont copy that file onto their drives and it ensures the cd is there. Once they discover that it won't run without the 300MB file

Re: CD update...

Recently, Shari wrote: > The most difficult part is getting them stuffed/zipped without an > error creeping in. I used to have a bad time with Stuffit until I > bought a paid version. Their free download was buggy, and I could > stuff a file, but half the world couldn't unstuff it. Shari: Not

Re: Emagic did it

Yes, but they upgraded the engine several times after that...fixing bugs AND adding features. JR > I feel that the odds of me, and some other MC developers, being Rev > customers increase greatly if they cross grade us now without the fee. It's > not like it's never been done before... Emagic did

Re: Why maintain Metacard

The user license is different for MetaCard... JR > In short, (putting it bluntly) why would anyone want to spend effort > maintaining/updating MetaCard's development environment when the > Revolution environment is also customizable? > ___ metacard

Re: Anomalies

I got to thinking Shari that you might be wanting a different function, anyway. Consider this: random(5) returns one of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 random(4) returns one of 1, 2, 3, 4 random(3) returns one of 1, 2, 3 random(2) returns one of 1, 2 random(1) returns one of 1 And adding the one you want, random(

Re: CD update... was: get system profile

> why don't you try the old Tiviah external collection as i > It will return a list of available CD-ROM drives WITHOUT on my old computer i had 2 cd-roms (well, a dvd-rom and a cd-rw) and the external would only show the cd-rw... ___ metacard mailing lis

RE: Getting the system profile

Dear Shari, I gave you a win version script that can make it work noprob... As far as I see it - MCI is not for all windoz (I couldn't get it running on a W2K TS which had it installed.) - I tried all day!!! Frag that idea - it's NOT intuitive at all and it's a lot of reading compared t

RE: CD update...

Shari, just a stupid question but why would you want to zip or stuff something on a cd? Are these stack bigger than a cd? The less "other software" you depend on, the better. This includes OS specific features... So, the more generic your software, the better... By now, you should know how to

Re: Anomalies

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 08:09 AM, Shari wrote: Shari wrote: I wonder if I should bombard Kevin with the anomalies I've had to find workarounds for... such as random(0) = 1 Under what circumstances would random(0) be expected to provide a useful result? Why not save the clock cycles by us

[OT] Wine from Barossa Valley

Hello Monte, While writing what you quoted above I was actually thinking of your reaction. Of course I was overstating to make my point. Australians - especially with the added support of a good glass of wine from Barossa Valley (brought there and cultivated at first by German settlers) - will su

Re: Anomalies

Shari wrote: I wonder if I should bombard Kevin with the anomalies I've had to find workarounds for... such as random(0) = 1 Under what circumstances would random(0) be expected to provide a useful result? Why not save the clock cycles by using 0 directly? From my original post when discovering

Re: Smaller than milliseconds

On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:04 AM, Nelson Zink wrote: Computational results are predictable, completion time wobbles. The finer time is cut, the greater the unpredictability. The problem I see is that the ruler you use to measure the time is not independent. You are using a timer based on t

Re: Getting the system profile

Klaus, The externals may not be reliable on win XP pro. When I queried for the CD-ROM, it returned ONLY E. But I have CD-ROM drives in both E: and F:, correctly found by System Information. Also, use this link to the externals http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/external.htm miscdas Yes, my tests are

Re: CD update... was: get system profile

why don't you try the old Tiviah external collection as i posted yesterday??? It is free now and does exactly what you need: It will return a list of available CD-ROM drives WITHOUT an error of what kind ever... Actually I did try it. It isn't free. It randomly gives a dialog asking me to reg

Re: CD update...

Shari, I once made a mac version of a CD for PC in HC. It was hell on wheels too. For the mac version we made a Mac specific session on a multisession cd. Thus the PC didn't see the mac and viceversa... on the PC you can also use an autorun.ini file to launch a beatiful installer - much less mess

A speed difference between MC and Rev ?

Hello Any All there My name is Pierre Sahores and i'm testing Rev 2.0.1 to see if i can switch some of my MC 2.5 projects to Rev. 1.- After downloading the 30 days free trial issue of Revolution 2.0.1 (linux x86), 2.- I open the main stack of the mc 2.5 project i'm just working on, 3.- I open,

Re: Getting the system profile

Hi miscdas, Klaus Major writes: [snip] http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/welcome.htm Click on "Externals Collection" There you can dl the old x-collection of Tuviah, where the win version will "CD ROMs - get a list of currently available CD ROM drives" and more, of course :-) Hope that helps. Reg

Re: Getting the system profile

Klaus Major writes: [snip] http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/welcome.htm Click on "Externals Collection" There you can dl the old x-collection of Tuviah, where the win version will "CD ROMs - get a list of currently available CD ROM drives" and more, of course :-) Hope that helps. Regar

Re: Getting the system profile

Richard, It wont spit any dialog if you use the command line shell()... Tested and approved! Xavier On 11/07/2003 01:48:21 metacard-admin wrote: >MisterX wrote: > >>> Also, if no CD is loaded, it spits up an error dialog, another no no. >> >> I dont know where you saw this... I wonder, was it t

Re: CD update... was: get system profile

Hi Shari, Shari: If you simply want to ensure the program is on a CD, a simple test is to try writing a temp file to the same directory as the program . If the result is not empty, then it's locked and thus on CD. If the result is empty, delete the temp file and report that the program will o

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2003-July/005502.html

Geoff Canyon is very good on 2 points: 1. Speaking bluntly...more of that should be done, more often. 2. Metacarders are going to have to face the simple fact that just as HYPERCARD was superseded by METACARD and SUPERCARD, METACARD (I won't even bother to mention S-Card) has b

Re: Getting the system profile

Totally surprising that I DID find it on Win2000 and furnished the path isn't it? My test was based on the shell returning the info which it didn't but now I know you could use mci instead... Total cheers Xavier On 11/07/2003 09:49:18 metacard-admin wrote: >MisterX writes: >[snip] >> >> >> sor

Re: Getting the system profile

MisterX writes: [snip] sorry C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared>msinfo32 'msinfo32' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. can't be retrieved from a vanilla mswin2000 Totally not surprising that you don't find msinfo32.exe on Win2000

Smaller than milliseconds

Dar, > You can collect some random bits using the long seconds, I think, but I > don't think you want to base it on how long it takes to execute some > code. You might want to harvest it from operator interactions and if > you don't have enough of those, from Internet response times. The > numbe

RE: Scott's legacy

I gotta chime in and say Scott rocks also. Same rapid resolution of tech glitches from him as others have pointed out. He also saved my butt recently in a license snafu with a client breathing down my neck on deadline. I have NEVER had any other company come close to what Scott has done for me