Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
I'm not sure why you thought there was a definition that requires L5 and L6 chondrites to come from different parent asteroids... there isn't. Questions like this are open to investigation. Isotopic data show that the different petrologic types of L chondrites all experienced a major shock ev

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Meteorite-Recon.com
Hi Jeff, others, certainly true as far as the majority of L-chondritic material is concerned. But Dave’s question is in so far justified as there are several exceptional L-chondrites that show particular differences in their lithology compared to other L-chondrites. If my information on this su

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2009-09-09 Thread Darren Garrison
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[meteorite-list] Does this seem implausible to anyone else?

2009-09-09 Thread Darren Garrison
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Re: [meteorite-list] Does this seem implausible to anyone else?

2009-09-09 Thread Jason Utas
Darren, All, Well, have a look at the region from google earth. There are quite literally hundreds (if not thousands) of elongate depressions that are quite easily visible from the air. I used to spend quite a bit of time looking for new craters on google earth, and the area really had me stumped

Re: [meteorite-list] Does this seem implausible to anyone else?

2009-09-09 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:57:30 -0700, you wrote: >literally hundreds (if not thousands) of elongate depressions that are ... >craters noted, I found hundreds of new ones, all of which were aligned >in-line with the original discoveries, and all of which >lookedpretty much the same, varying only

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Gheesling
Hi, Jeff, Thanks for your response. I always look forward to learning something from your posts to the list, and below I'm reminded of the dating of the L and H shock events. Do you recall such a date for amphoterites by chance? I followed up my question with a rather clear and somewhat self-de

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Alan Rubin
There are some porous chondrites but as far as I know there is no reason to believe that they are from separate bodies. They may have suffered more (or less) impact-induced compaction than the majority of rocks. But one should check their cosmic-ray exposure ages, shock ages, etc. to see if th

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Alan Rubin
The general supposition is that all L chondrites come from one parent body, that H chondrites come from another, etc. We don't know this to be strictly true, but there is evidence that it is broadly true. For example, about two-thirds of all L chondrites (of different petrologic types) were sh

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[meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello Dave, Alan, and List, Here is a paper that may be of interest with regard to LL chondrite parent bodies: Dixon E.T., Bogard D.D. and Garrison D.H. (2002) 40Ar-39Ar Chronology of LL Chondrites (Lunar and Planetary Science XXXIII, 1114.pdf). They even discuss *three* models: 1. The onion-s

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Richard Kowalski
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Alan Rubin
Of course this abstract was superceded by the paper: Dixon, Bogard, Garrison and Rubin (2004) 39Ar-40Ar evidence for early impact events on the LL parent body. GCA 68, 3779-3790. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Cho

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Dave Gheesling
Bernd, Alan, and List, Thank you both for the diplomatic and informative responses. While we're on the subject, might one of you (or anyone else) expand on, say, the L/LL6 classification designation? Holbrook was recently moved from an L6 to such a classification, and I have a few others in my co

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Alan Rubin
John Wasson and I classified some meteorites as L/LL because we were uncertain of their proper classification. Typical for these meteories, some properties indicate L, some indicate LL, and some could be truly intermediate between the established ranges. This may mean that they are anomalous

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Backing up and extending what Alan said, in current usage, a slash means one of two things: 1) there are properties of this meteorite that are intermediate or transitional between the two classes, or 2) The classifier could not decide which group it was due to some kind of limitation in methodo

[meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello All, I'm really glad that Jeff G. responded because I didn't know whether or not I should mention his thoughts of about 10 years ago (!) when I asked him about hyphens and dashes and the confusion they cause! I was inquiring about DaG 140, then classified as an H3.9-6. Mon, 07 Sep 1998,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Grossman
Those 1998 remarks still hold true, except for one thing... we've mostly weeded out the classifications that used a slash for breccias. There are still some in the MetBull database, probably, but mostly they're fixed. Breccias are still a complete mess and nothing has changed. Jeff bernd.pa

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies

2009-09-09 Thread tracy latimer
Oog. I agree with Bernd; classification is currently a mess. We discussed this a couple of years ago, but it seems any clarifications are very slow to work their way into the literature. Has the NomCom issued any official bulletins on this? Best! Tracy latimer

[meteorite-list] Chondritic parent bodies: Clarification

2009-09-09 Thread bernd . pauli
Tracy writes: "Oog. I agree with Bernd; classification is currently a mess." Sorry, I forgot the inverted commas => " ... " Those were Jeff's remarks / comments! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@mete

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2009-09-09 Thread Jerry Flaherty
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Re: [meteorite-list] Google New's boo boo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Google New's boo boo

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