Hello List. Does anyone know when to expect the next issue? I am
pretty sure it features Chelyabinsk, and I recently added a slice to
my collection from Peter Marmet and all I can say is outstanding! It
is quite a specimen, and so many stones show different
characteristics. It will be nice to r
I never sayd, that im free of any sin and i never sayd, that i made never any
mistake.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuchelei ) and im quite sad,
that you think so. I try allways to say what i really think and feel and have
also no reason to be a hypocrite. This is just the internet. A place,
We are not talking about fulgurites, we are talking about fraudulent
(trans-)actions! So, please, do not deviate from what we are talking
about!
Right now, it is not about fulgurites but about (in all likelihood)
stuff that even a beginner would immediately have recognized
as bogus material.
This
I sayd from the beginning these fulgurites are sintered calcite or aragonite
with its characteristic features. They grew from inside to outside with
constant speed. The rings are continously and the center ones are identical to
the outside ones. This structure is absolutely characteristic for si
Hi Bulletin Watchers,
There has been a feature update to the online Met Bulletin. It now
contains info about meteorites in institutions and collections.
>From the Bulletin :
Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/MetBullNews.php?id=2
Repository information expanded (9 Jun 2013)
"Greatly expand
> Whoever is without any sin may throw the first rock.
Amen, and send these words to certain places in Germany
but not to me or anyone else, you hypocrite !!!
Bernd
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Speaking of identification, how about a signature or name at the bottom of your
email?
Respectfully,
Steve
Steve Witt
IMCA #9020
http://imca.cc/
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de"
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 12:59 PM
Subje
Yeah right. Thats my words and my opinion. Thats, why i never mentioned the
fulgurites again and anywhere after stopping emailing during this time long ago
(its was the 4th march). ...until Adam begun to intensify the flamewar against
martin and talked as if he self never made any mistakes.
I
Lets take this off the list. The last I checked you were selling fulgurites on
eBay and tried to convince me that mine were stalagmites. A sneaky way of
trying to eliminate the competition. That's funny, why would they be found
concentrated in washes, embedded in the ground, with melted and we
> Why don't you ... email me directly instead
> of posting this to the Meteorite Central List?
The self-same A.R. recently posted this to the German Forum
after a list member complained about a eucrite he had acquired
from M.A.:
"That's right. Telling the whole world about it is not gentleman-lik
My reason is simple. Even after martin has apologized and all others has
accepted it, you continued and tried even to give him the fault for your
unsuccessful ebay auctions.
And you maybe remember, what you sayd about why you complain so much or?
Where is the difference between questionable f
> Which qualifications does anybody need to
> be able to comment here about meteorites?
Well, honesty, sincerity, *willingness* to judge from a neutral
point of view instead of from a skewed perspective like this one:
Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi (What is legitimate for Jupiter,
is not legitima
Why don't you take your groundless fulgurite argument to another forum or email
me directly instead of posting this to the Meteorite Central List? This is a
Meteorite List, not a Fulgurite List!
With your vast knowledge and kinship to Martin, Tell us about meteorites and
why we should not be
If you think its ok to handle such cases in this way, its your decision.
I think its a bit strange to want that martin sits on knees and begs for
forgiving sins, while youself cannot see and dont want to talk about own
problems of similar kind. We in Germany say "Who wanna give out, must also b
Congratulations Alexander Ringel from Germany. You have proven nothing other
than you are loyal to Martin.
Now lets get back to real subject; Meteorites and Dealers selling bogus
material with fake ID cards, shall we? Guilty parties always try to shift
blame on others or change the subject
Oh, im not qualified to comment? I didnt know, that i need a qualification.
What papers do i need. Profeessor? Doctor?
Am i qualified to participate even on this list? Is anyone qualified? Which
qualifications does anybody need top be able to comment here about meteorites?
This is also your wa
In other words, you are not qualified to comment on American Fulgurites.
You are one of Martins cohorts in Germany and therefore will not use your name.
Defend Martin all you want! He was caught with his hands in the cookie jar
once again and that is the
only reason he apologized to Mike Farme
Nothing in the way of either text or content.
However, it does have some nice pictures.
Необычайно красивый метеорит Фукан
Extraordinarily beautiful Fukang meteorite
http://www.fresher.ru/2013/05/26/neobychajno-krasivyj-meteorit-fukan/comment-page-1/
Yours,
Paul H.
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So, you won´t lighten up, Adam?? Is this the spirit of the list, after all?
I think Art has done a great job by temporarily rejecting mails for everyone
to come down to Earth again. Gary made a great response, I concur with that.
The "Big Boyz" will always have their playgrounds here, but just don´
Hi Listees and Collectors,
I have some new Chelyabinsk stones available for purchase. The pick
of the litter is a 4.07g whole pristine stone that is covered in
regmaglypts and dimples. There are also nine more specimens ranging
in size from subgram to 2.48 grams. To avoid confusion with the
pre
I have enough qualifications to be able to talk about rocks. Otherwise i
wouldnt talk about these here.
Im a experienced mineral collector since 25 years. I saw tenthousands of
samples live in shops, museums and in the field and i saw much more in images.
I dont need to tell, how often i watche
Hi List,
This is why the chain of custody and the reputations of the people in
the chain of custody are the most important considerations in the mind
of this collector.
As Adam alluded to with "high end collectibles" - there are
authentication services and agencies that utilize experts to analyze
I do not know who you are or your qualifications for that matter. These were
found in dry washes in Nevada so naturally, they will not look like more common
fugurites found in the Sahara which hit sand. They have pebbles and course
sand fused into them and have weathered in a dry wash which is
So you can tell me, why they deviate completely from any image of any fulgurite
i saw and why their color is the exact color of hydrated iron oxide (limonite)
and not the color of dehydrated iron oxide (red) or of with iron oxide colored
glass (bottlegreen, intense "bottle"brown, black). And of
Hi list,
I have a few meteorites on E-Bay:
Small cut slices of the Martian Shergottite NWA 7397 found 2012 and NWA 7831
(prov. name) Diogenite found 2013.
No reserve, low starting bid at USD 9.99 !
Please have a look if interested.
stores.ebay.com/SAHARAGEMS-Meteorites-and-more
Cheers,
Tom
I will not lighten up. This is very serious. I have no problem whatsoever with
Andi. One or two mistakes over a long period of time is understandable.
Taking immediate responsibility for a mistake is admirable and the right thing
to do.
It is when I see a pattern that I become alarmed. I hav
These are absolutely genuine.
Adam
- Original Message -
From: "plagiok...@arcor.de"
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer
Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results
Ensisheim is just around the corner and you got the same results as during last
years ensisheim month. So dont tell its the fault of one member in a list.
By the way, while we talk about honesty and reputations, we should maybe talk
about these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FULGURITE-NEVADA-Lightning
Aloha Adam,
Lighten up. As Alex stated, no one is perfect and immune from making errors. We
are all human and we all make mistakes. Martin and Andi have been gracious to
admit their mistake and accept responsibility for their parts in this
unfortunate incident. And for that, I have the utmost r
How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to be
destroyed? How many times does this have to happen in order to completely
destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay after this
latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines those
Thank you Martin
Perhaps we all handled the situation poorly:)
The outcome however is ok.
We all learned valuable lessons.
We will all have a beer soon in France,
Neutral ground:)
Going to bed in Japan now.
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:33 PM, "Martin Altmann"
wrote:
Kudos, Martin! Give him (and Andi) a hand, folks!
Nobody is perfectly immune to errors, and this one was
by no means intentional. They apologized, and this is
very honorable, and even more: it is outstanding!
Alex
Berlin/Germany
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juni 2013 um 14:33 Uhr
> Von: "Martin A
(A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for
the collectors for not falling for the same scam)
Hello,
After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were
necessary for me to cool down),
I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, a
Hello list
like last sunday I have some specimens for sale.
http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
Meteorite GAO-GUENIE [H5] full slice IMPACT MELT 5.13g WOW
Meteorite NWA 4967 [CO3.2] fresh carbonaceous slice 2.45g
Meteorite NWA 4969 [Brachinite] fresh slice 0.732g Rare
Me
Aloha Everyone,
I've just received a new shipment of hinged membrane boxes and am
offering a sale on them from now through Wednesday (June 12th). I've
received great positive feedback from many collectors and institutions
with regard to these boxes and am pleased that they have been receiv
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Smithland
Contributed by: Anne Black
http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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