Hi Ken and List, I think Ken my be right on this, looking at the two bidders, they both have good feed-backs from different buyers. One of those buyers might of got out bid by the other, one to many times and now are at war! They my bid and bid to ridiculous prices, but they seem to pay. I do not like the misleading description, five a gram, but it is no worse than other sellers saying that a 25g SA is huge and a lot of people are doing that. I think if we want honest dealers, we all have to be!
Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: [ I.M.C.A. ] Re: [meteorite-list] talk about a good idea! > > John, > Thank you for your legitimate concerns. > Since the seller is an IMCA member, > IMCA has asked Ebay to investigate your > allegations. > > On more than one occasion, I have seen > bidders with similar interests 'hound' one > another by bidding the same auctions. > This may be one of those situations. > > I agree that the seller's "5.00 a gram" as stated > may be misleading. (I do not know average > brick and mortar store meteorite prices.) > You may agree that it would not be > misleading if the seller quoted a specific > store that was indeed selling the item for that price. > That said, to quote the price per gram of a > specific Macovich Collection item is not inaccurate > either but I'm sure someone would complain.:>) > IMCA members must be able to back what > they claim and this seller will be reminded of that. > > To all listees following this thread: > No one would wishes to be falsely accused and > much worse, to be accused publicly without proof. > Innuendo can damage a person's livelihood > and reputation. If you have a legitimate > complaint with an IMCA member's sale please > contact the person privately and voice your > concerns. If you are not satisfied, > privately contact IMCA. We will try to assist. > > Sincerely, > Ken Newton > I.M.C.A. # 9632 > http://www.imca.cc > http://www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > > JKGwilliam wrote: > > > List members and Ebay watchers, > > Before anyone else jumps on Bill for expressing his opinion about this > > Ebay auction, I'd suggest you take a look at it from all angles. The > > two most active bidders....royalboot and bluekatrino....have a history > > of bidding on several of the exact same items. Coincidence? I doubt > > it. The two bidders were bidding on meteorites, Italian art glass and > > lion's claws. > > > > In the past month, bluekatrino bid on five items, four of which were > > also bid on by royalboot. I'm not saying that this auction involved > > shill bidding, that's impossible to tell for sure, but like Bill, it > > looks fishy to me. > > > > I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the > > seller "delraygoddess" made the following claim: > > > > "The retail cost of Campo Del Cielo Meteorites in a store are about > > 5.00 a gram, and The reserve on this one is WAY less! THIS IS A > > STEAL!!!! " > > > > Five bucks a gram for "new or old" Campo Del Cielo meteorites? I'd > > say that this is blatantly deceptive advertising! > > > > This is something that the IMCA ought to howl about. What do you say > > Ken? > > > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > > > > > > > At 10:52 PM 1/11/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> Didn't you read the thread? Have a look at that auction. You might > >> think you're funny but when the phrase, "feeding the ducks" was > >> dreamed up, you were the inspiration. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >> From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >> > Dear Bill, > >> > How come you seem to act like something crawled up your back side and > >> > died, you come around this way every few months, Manopause? > >> > This is a thread that should be put to bed, > >> > think??????????????????????????????????I am getting tired deleting > >> such > >> > worthless crap! > >> > > >> > df > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >> > >Ken, > >> > > > >> > >Just my personal opinion based on 8 years of watching ebay > >> auctions. I really > >> > don't value your opinion much so take your imca rant elsewhere. > >> > > > >> > >Bill > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >> > >From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > >> > >>Bill, > >> > >>I see NO indication of shill bidding. > >> > >>What makes it "look" that way to you? > >> > >>Unless you have something substantial > >> > >>you owe the seller a public apology - > >> > >>immediately. > >> > >> > >> > >>It is a slanderous matter when you publicly insinuate > >> > >>that an IMCA member or anyone for that matter, is > >> > >>is engaged in illegal activities. 'Bother' next time. > >> > >> > >> > >>Ken Newton > >> > >>IMCA # 9632 > >> > >> > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Ken, > >> > >>> > >> > >>>I didn't bother to cross-reference the bidders and seller but it > >> looks like > >> > >>> > >> > >>shill and or shill buddy bidding. I know people make mistakes and > >> get carried > >> > >>away at times but this auction reeks. Pretty obvious stuff. > >> > >> > >> > >>>Bill > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>-------------- Original message ---------------------- > >> > >>>From: ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Bill, > >> > >>>>What are you suggesting is not legit and why? > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>Ken Newton > >> > >>>>IMCA #9632 > >> > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>>Tom, > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>I'm not sure what you mean about the "right" idea. I doubt > >> that's a > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>legitimate > >> > >> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>auction result. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>>Bill > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>-------------- Original message ---------------------- > >> > >>>>>From: "Tom AKA James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>Boy this person had the right idea! > >> > > >> >>>>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6 > >> 50349140 > >> > 5& > >> > >>>>>>rd=1 > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>______________________________________________ > >> > >>>>Meteorite-list mailing list > >> > >>>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > >>>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>______________________________________________ > >> > >>>Meteorite-list mailing list > >> > >>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >______________________________________________ > >> > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >> > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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