etaphysics.
Jerry Flaherty
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From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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. In other words, the
> Earthly
> prevalence of chondrites would just be a
> coincidence.
> The evidence is that the asteroid belt is a gumbo,
> though,
> full of all sorts of things that "don't belong"
> there. The
> failure to find obvious sources for chondri
t could take millions of years to go super,
or it could happen in 10,000 years, or it could start up
tomorrow.
That's what makes life so interesting.
Sterling K. Webb
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From: "Rob McCaf
; Maybe the seldom-discussed/appreciated metal flecks
> are the real gems in the
> meteorites?
>
> Or, is the nebula in my head too dense that am I
> just missing something
> obvious?
> How is my logic flawed?
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> From: Warin
ot;Pete Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: RE: Re : [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation mechanism (Info
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:55:53 -0400
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:23 -0400, you wrote:
>If the heavy elements, such a
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:55:53 -0400
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:23 -0400, you wrote:
>If the heavy elements, such as nickel and iron, are created by a
supernova,
>and the chondrules are
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:23 -0400, you wrote:
>If the heavy elements, such as nickel and iron, are created by a supernova,
>and the chondrules are in theory formed much later during the future
>dynamics of our solar system's nebula, would it be fair to say that the
>metal flecks would be billi
t;Sterling K. Webb"
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:15:53 + (GMT)
Hi, all,
I am surprised that nobo
--- Original Message ----- From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:24 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation mechanism (Info Please)> Hi Rob - > > You noticed the contradiction in cooling peri
--- "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Rob -
>
> "molecules of a feather flock together"? why?
>
This is the most blatant speculation on my part and I
have not looked it up to check this (though to be
fair, I didn't make the comment above, I just like it)
but this is what I thin
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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:15 AM
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Hi, all,
I am surprised that nobody evoked the theory
Hi Rob -
"molecules of a feather flock together"? why?
If they did, then say an initial detonation of our sun
could have been the heat which fused them together. I
think speculation on this kind of blast has been
bandied about much recently.
good hunting,
Ed
--- Rob McCafferty <[EMAIL PROTECT
I like this theory very much. (I particularly like it
because it allows the structure to form the way i
described it)
Rob McC
--- Mr EMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think crystal formation in a fluid preceded the
> choundrule formation. Seems standard mineralogy and
> crystalography answ
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> > My favorite two books on the formation of the
> solar
> > system are John S. Lewis "The Physics and
> Chemistry
> > of
> > the Solar System." The 2 Ed. is $75, $35 used. (I
> > was
> >
--- "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The problem still remains what caused sufficient
number of atoms of the same type to be in the same
place at the same time to produce the crystals and
glasses observed.
I think crystal formation in a fluid preceded the
choundrule formation. Seem
to think
> >> of as the remainder of the planetesimals
> originally
> >> in that zone, seems instead to contain a lot of
> >> junk cars from all over. Some things, like Ceres,
> >> obviously belong there (could have formed there)
> >> but others (like
Right here on Earth, we have good demonstrations of effervescence in rocks.
Every time we get fire fountaining from one of our volcanoes, it is caused
by a large amount of gas dissolved under pressure at depth in the magma.
When the pressurized magma (now lava) reaches sufficiently shallow dep
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Hi Rob -
You noticed the contradiction in coo
Hi Rob -
You noticed the contradiction in cooling periods as
well.
What I am thinking is that there was at least one
larger parent body which was "disrupted" about 3.9 Gya
(at time of LPBE). When this larger parent body was
disrupted, then the "effervescent" "foaming" that led
to some chondrule
Ed
Thanks for the reply. I'd really like to take a look
at any data but to help be more specific on my
requirements I'll give you an outline on my idea.
The appearance of the unaltered chondrites seems to
show that the outer rim of the chondrules are of a
significantly diferent structure to the i
jeez Bob,
and all I was trying to do was to come up with a good
excuse to personally examine that Krasnojarsk RSPOD
Oct 15.
You're just about ready to handle some of my asteroid
and comet impact correspondence.
Ed
--- Rob McCafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi list
>
> What I have ben
Hi list
What I have ben able to find personally on chondrule
formation is rather sketchy.
Even the otherwise comprehensive Encyclopedia of
Meteorites by O. Richard Norton seems to skim over the
mechanism in a paragraph. It's almost as if there is
something which defies explanation and scientists
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:41:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>> Chondrule textures depend on the extent of melting
>> of the chondrule precursor- material when cooling
>> starts.
>
>Kind of begs the question - chodrules formed by
>collision, which causes melt - consider if one started
>from a steady mol
Thanks Darren -
now this is more like it - h
--- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.aspbooks.org/custom/publications/paper/index.phtml?paper_id=2447
> Chondrule textures depend on the extent of melting
> of the chondrule precursor- material when cooling
> starts.
Kin
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:58:23 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>Hi Darren -
>
>Thanks - much has been lost in the stroke. I also seem
>to remember a "long slow cooling" involved in
>chondrule formation -
>
Googling "chondrule formation" comes up with lots of stuff, much of it pretty
densly technical.
Hi Darren -
Thanks - much has been lost in the stroke. I also seem
to remember a "long slow cooling" involved in
chondrule formation -
I am thinking that effervescence following a sudden
release of pressure might be a better process
description -
good hunting,
Ed
--- Darren Garrison <[EMAI
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>I think I would be right in saying that the usual
>mechanism proposed for chondrule formation is
>precipitation at low temperatures over time.
No, actually it isn't. Chondrules are usually proposed to be products of rapid
melting.
__
Hi all -
I think I would be right in saying that the usual
mechanism proposed for chondrule formation is
precipitation at low temperatures over time.
But I am wondering: could chondrule formation be
linked to the release of pressure? Could it be like a
soda-pop, where when you take the cap off
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