Re: [uf-discuss] uF Discovery? (was: FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base)

2005-11-22 Thread Luke Arno
On 11/22/05, Danny Ayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By getting people to upload their data, Google Base bypasses one of > the harder problems of distributed data: finding the stuff. I'd be > interested in hearing of any ideas anyone has around here that might > be helpful for finding the stuff. >

[uf-discuss] hCard parsing and DEL elements

2005-11-22 Thread Brian Suda
I just added a section to the hCard parsing about the DEL element.[1] It is conceivable that a person would want to [2] an old address or phone number, etc in their hCard. In doing so they are saying that they do NOT consider this information correct, but needs to be in the revision. It is common t

[uf-discuss] hCa* CATEGORIES as TAGS

2005-11-22 Thread Brian Suda
I have recently been working on an internal search spider. Specifically to index pages with microformat content and to aggrigate them. (nothing akin to the Google Base). My question is this: Can we consider the property CATEGORIES inside a vCard and/or iCalendar file, equivalent to a rel="tag"? or

[uf-discuss] FYI: Scott Rosenberg on Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread David Janes -- BlogMatrix
http://blogs.salon.com/014/2005/11/22.html#a939 I'm following with interest the comments following Tantek's challenge to Jeff Jarvis's article. My relative silence has been because the next major thing I want to say is with code :-) Regards, etc... David ___

Re: [uf-discuss] blog quotes - markup pattern? microformat? discuss!

2005-11-22 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 05-11-22 à 17:09, Ryan King a écrit : I think most of that has made its way to the wiki, but I'm not sure where, since the issue of blog citations and book citations seem to have a naming collision. Ryan. Cool I see in http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-quote- examples#Perhaps_add_some_

Re: [uf-discuss] blog quotes - markup pattern? microformat? discuss!

2005-11-22 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:00 AM, Karl Dubost wrote: Le 2005-11-21 à 22:50, Tantek Çelik a écrit : So what are "best practices" for semantically marking up a blog quote? very difficult to solve. And I guess it may apply to all kind of quotes. For blog posts in particular, see some previous dis

Re: [uf-discuss] Indicating the author of a web page (was: Re: invisible metadata)

2005-11-22 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 22, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Robert Bachmann wrote: Carl Beeth wrote: The most elegant solution would be to make the reviewer optional if there is an author indicated on page level. BTW is there a microformated way to indicate the author of a web page? IMO a suitable HTML idiom is: ... Examp

Re: [uf-discuss] uF Discovery? (was: FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base)

2005-11-22 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:41 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: By getting people to upload their data, Google Base bypasses one of the harder problems of distributed data: finding the stuff. I'd be interested in hearing of any ideas anyone has around here that might be helpful for finding the stuff. Imagine t

Re: [uf-discuss] invisible metadata

2005-11-22 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 22, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Carl Beeth wrote: I'm confronting this very issue on my personal site where I have started to put up hReviews. As it is a personal site I see no need to sign every review visibly. In fact it would probably just ad noise. But in the specs of hReview I am forced to dec

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 22, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Jon Tan wrote: I also agree that the amount of data in MFs is critical. Yes, by all means lets get on with implementation, but evangelism and work done are not mutually exclusive. Unless, of course, people are already criticizing your for talking to much and no

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread Ryan King
On Nov 22, 2005, at 2:50 AM, Jon Tan wrote: ... I think they've already said no to this and I don't think they need a special invitation. Have they said no outright? Personally, I don't care. Of course: Of course, if anyone here has contact at Google, you should bug them incessantly unt

Re: [uf-discuss] blog quotes - markup pattern? microformat? discuss!

2005-11-22 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 05-11-21 à 22:50, Tantek Çelik a écrit : I've started this page to document various examples and "best practices". Please feel free to offer yours, or improve upon what you see there. http://microformats.org/wiki/blog-quote-examples btw as a friendlier tool to edit quotes, I have modifi

Re: [uf-discuss] Indicating the author of a web page

2005-11-22 Thread Robert Bachmann
Chris Messina wrote: > Shouldn't that be ? Yes. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Bachmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (OpenPGP KeyID: 0x4A5CCF10) ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/micro

Re: [uf-discuss] Indicating the author of a web page (was: Re: invisible metadata)

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Messina
Shouldn't that be ? On 11/22/05, Robert Bachmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Carl Beeth wrote: > > The most elegant solution would be to make the reviewer optional if > > there is an author indicated on page level. BTW is there a > > microformated way to indicate the author of a web page? > > IMO

Re: [uf-discuss] Fiction books microformats

2005-11-22 Thread Tim White
I was just rereading this post for thoughts on marking up titles. At the same time, the thread on invisible data got me to thinking: --- Chris Hibbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The beginning of the review is annotated thusly: > > > 0.2 > > Chris > Hibbert >hre

[uf-discuss] Indicating the author of a web page (was: Re: invisible metadata)

2005-11-22 Thread Robert Bachmann
Carl Beeth wrote: > The most elegant solution would be to make the reviewer optional if > there is an author indicated on page level. BTW is there a > microformated way to indicate the author of a web page? IMO a suitable HTML idiom is: ... Example: http://example.com"; class="fn url">John Doe

Re: [uf-discuss] invisible metadata

2005-11-22 Thread Carl Beeth
I'm confronting this very issue on my personal site where I have started to put up hReviews. As it is a personal site I see no need to sign every review visibly. In fact it would probably just ad noise. But in the specs of hReview I am forced to declare it so the lesser of two evils here is to repe

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread Scott Reynen
Jon Tan wrote: I agree with Brian Suda. It shouldn't be that difficult for GBase to allow a, 'file-upload type of XHTML', and a, 'Trackback/ping service' along with GBase to, 'display the data in Microformat encoded formats (where applicable).' If you want Google to consume microformatted

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread Jon Tan
On Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:56 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: Here's what I'd like to see: less talk of the hypothetical revolution microformats might usher in, and more actual implementations. [...] There's no need for a search engine like Google to get involved. I think we should create a lar

[uf-discuss] uF Discovery? (was: FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base)

2005-11-22 Thread Danny Ayers
By getting people to upload their data, Google Base bypasses one of the harder problems of distributed data: finding the stuff. I'd be interested in hearing of any ideas anyone has around here that might be helpful for finding the stuff. Imagine there are lots and lots of microformat documents ou

Re: [uf-discuss] blog quotes - markup pattern? microformat? discuss!

2005-11-22 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 2005-11-21 à 22:50, Tantek Çelik a écrit : So what are "best practices" for semantically marking up a blog quote? very difficult to solve. And I guess it may apply to all kind of quotes. Are they merely proper uses of XHTML elements? (as implied in the preso) In the way you have done i

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread Scott Reynen
Jon Tan wrote: Searching for products, property and jobs could be revolutionised by MFs and immensely valuable for all users, whether they know what the blogosphere is or not. If it was ever seriously suggested that until current ones are in widespread use others should be on hold or not

Re: [uf-discuss] FYI: Jeff Jarvis on microformats and Google Base

2005-11-22 Thread Jon Tan
On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, 5:38 AM, Ryan King wrote: 1. Invite Google to [1] Participate in the development of MF specifications, They've always been invited and at least one employee has contributed (http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-nofollow). [...][2] Consider integrating MFs within G