Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 5/27/07, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't think this is a very natural use of the q element. A thumbnail isn't really like a quote of a prose fragment. Consider that you would never put a thumbnail in quotation marks. True... but

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Colin Barrett
On May 28, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Hmm. I think Maciej does have a strong point about interoperability here. Removing the quotation punctuation with CSS does not help those with user-designated styles or UAs that ignore such CSS: e.g. text browsers and screen

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Keith Alexander
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Yeah, the HTML4 spec says the rev and rel imply relationships between the current document and the href, not the anchor's contents and the href. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#adef-rev I think eRDF's approach is worth noting here - when

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On May 27, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Paul Wilkins wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#h-12.1.2 My simplified understanding of the relationship between rel and rev is With the rel attribute, the relationship that the linked page has to this link is foo. With the rev attribute, the

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Colin Barrett wrote: On May 28, 2007, at 1:49 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: [snip] If a screen reader read (for example): quote Dorothy encounters the Lion end quote That would be rather strange, wouldn't it? I dunno, I think that might be helpful. It's semantic information that

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-edit

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: When browsers or extensions expose linked resources, they generally do so for a selected set of link types (for example, link rel=stylesheet is not exposed) It is when you have a series of alternate stylesheets (in Firefox, anyhow), isn't it? and often do so with

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Benjamin, On 5/28/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 5/27/07, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't think this is a very natural use of the q element. A thumbnail isn't really like a quote of a prose fragment.

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Benjamin, Most screen reader users are not deaf as well as blind, and many screen readers still have some sight. So most screen reader users are as likely to enjoy watching videos online as you and I Hmmm... that's a good point. And something I wasn't aware of Perhaps the alt text

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 5/28/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 5/27/07, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't think this is a very natural use of the q element. A thumbnail isn't really like a quote of a

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-edit

2007-05-28 Thread Chris Griego
Has any thought been given to the pre-existing in-the-wild use of rel=EditURI? link rel=EditURI type=application/rsd+xml title=RSD href=/xmlrpc.php?rsd / -- Chris Griego On 5/25/07, Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everybody. ** Context ** So, on the tail of RecentChangesCamp

RE: [uf-discuss] hResume question

2007-05-28 Thread Steve Ganz
On Friday, May 25, 2007 10:54 AM, Andrew Jaswa wrote The draft says to use the include pattern to include your formatted name (so you don't have to repeat it in the markup). Where I think this goes awry is the end result of including your fn into hCards that have past contact

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-edit

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
I don't know. Following an EditURI link does not take you to a page where you can edit the current resource (or resource fragment, for that matter), but instead to a computer-readable description of available services: http://archipelago.phrasewise.com/display?page=oldsite/1330.html Blogger

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Benjamin, On 5/28/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 5/28/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: On 5/27/07, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I don't think this is a

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Ah. Okay, I hadn't understood that's what you were saying. I think putting the thumbnail alternative text in quotation punctuation is potentially problematic unless the alternative text is actually a quotation from the video's dialogue. What if there is no video

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Benjamin, On 5/28/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: This is a tempting argument, but in theory and practice a problematic one. q and blockquote are not merely intended to be portions of a larger document but to be /quotations/: True...

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Benjamin, Sorry for replying to my own post, but On 5/28/07, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Benjamin, On 5/28/07, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: This is a tempting argument, but in theory and practice a

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread James O'Donnell
On 28 May 2007, at 22:09, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: But yeah... having quote read out does still seem undesired. Aren't the aural style sheet or something that can be used to get rid of that? Shouldn't putting quotes: none none on the q element be enough to get the screen readers

RE: [uf-discuss] rel-edit

2007-05-28 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Sat, 2007-26-05 at 13:48 +1000, Michael MD wrote: So, on the tail of RecentChangesCamp Montreal (http://www.rocococamp.info/), there's an effort to work out some universal conventions for wiki engines to indicate that a page is editable. Good idea in theory ... but what about the

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello James, On 5/28/07, James O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 May 2007, at 22:09, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: But yeah... having quote read out does still seem undesired. Aren't the aural style sheet or something that can be used to get rid of that? Shouldn't putting

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: But I /don't/ accept that. IMHO microformats currently abuse abbr and perhaps (more debatably) title for time and location, violating the standards-based credos of the movement with poor consequences for assistive technology which have already been widely

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
James O'Donnell wrote: Mind you, screenreaders don't generally read out quote for the q tag either. Have a look at this: http://dotjay.co.uk/tests/screen-readers/q-element/ Well, in so far as they have any especially common behaviour for q, reading quote at the beginning is it. Of course,

Re: [uf-discuss] RFC: sHTML Video Thumbnailing

2007-05-28 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: It's the cite attribute that gives it value. It lets me bind a set of thumbnails together (as being from the same video) while allowing the thumbnails to be all over the place (and not necessarily in some container element, like a span or something, which binds