Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Sarven Capadisli
This is to address "SEO" and anchors () in documents. Fortunately, good SEO is more complex then boiling down well-ranking in SERPs into how the anchors are set in a document. Regarding: http://microformats.org/wiki/anti-patterns#empty_hyperlinks point A) if there is no href attribute and value

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 16, 2007 1:39 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my > boss looks at my work and says "what are all these empty anchors > about"... pause right there... any SEO worth his salt will know anchor > text links that go nowhere, will A, reduce the quality of out going > links from your

[uf-discuss] Digg profile rel-me should have rel-nofollows removes

2007-12-15 Thread Chris Messina
Hi Daniel, I wanted to let you know that in implementing identity consolidation using rel-me on people's public profiles, you killed the usefulness of your work by adding rel-nofollow. As you can see from the wiki, rel-me links MUST not be accompanied by rel-nofollow attributes. http://microform

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/15/07 4:39 PM, "Martin McEvoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK Paul, lets try and put that in the real world, My client has a music > store with around 500 pages of content and around 10 to 20 items of > hAudio on each page, My client want's their pages to validate and be > accessible.. no p

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 12:28 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 16, 2007 11:52 AM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The empty although valid, seems nasty to me and a little anti!, > > microformats are supposed to represent the data they contain...are they? > > > As I was saying, this

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 16, 2007 11:52 AM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The empty although valid, seems nasty to me and a little anti!, > microformats are supposed to represent the data they contain...are they? As I was saying, this is why there has been so much debate about this and it's why compr

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
Hello Paul On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 10:27 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 16, 2007 8:00 AM, Manu Sporny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What was the problem with the SPAN approach, again? > > > > 3:23 > > > > - You can set most, if not all, screen readers to not verbalize @title > > in SPAN. > >

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 16, 2007 8:00 AM, Manu Sporny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was the problem with the SPAN approach, again? > > 3:23 > > - You can set most, if not all, screen readers to not verbalize @title > in SPAN. > - We're not abusing ABBR. I've been looking carefully through the HTML 4.01 specs

[uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Manu Sporny
Paul Wilkins wrote: > The hAudio time should be denoted in seconds. If 3:23 is given it's to > be seen as three minutes and twenty two seconds. If hours are needed > it should be 1:3:23 (0 prefix optional) to denote 1 hour three minutes > and twenty two seconds. > > This way the hAudio standard ca

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 15, 2007, at 3:08 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote: It seems to me "3:23" is already machine-readable Does 3:23 mean 3 mins 23 seconds, or 3 hours 23 mins, or 23 minutes past three o'clock? ;-) My point is it's not productive to ask such questions outside the context of the actual problem,

[uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Paul Wilkins wrote: On Dec 15, 2007 8:21 AM, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Agreed. I'll repost something I put into the GEO thread last week. It's quoting directly from the HTML4 specification. This doesn't actually need to have any concern with accessibility, or assistive technology tools

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 15, 2007 8:21 AM, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed. I'll repost something I put into the GEO thread last week. > It's quoting directly from the HTML4 specification. This doesn't > actually need to have any concern with accessibility, or assistive > technology tools. Frankly, the

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 16:23 -0800, Tantek =?ISO-8859-1?B?xw==?=elik wrote: > On 12/14/07 3:55 PM, "Martin McEvoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 23:18 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: > >> I do NOT however believe that machine data should be displayed in a > >> people area such

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes

2007-12-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ciaran McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Dec 14, 2007 6:45 PM, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's a reasonable argument. It's not reasonable, though, to argue (which you're not, at least not here, but which others seem to be) that 16:03 is an ab

[uf-discuss] Develop reusable solutions )was: Precise Expansion Patterns)

2007-12-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Ben Ward wrote: I am going to ask that we better define the problem. That we follow up the demand for a better pattern (regardless of whether your personal motivation is following the spec o

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 13:36 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 1:21 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 12:33 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > > On Dec 15, 2007 12:18 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > you could perhaps do PT3:23 ? which

Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes The least that could be got away with is 00:03:23, at which point it would be a toss up between that or PT3M23S Both of the above formats are valid and should be accepted by parsers as a part of the ISO 8601 time/date f

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On Dec 15, 2007 1:40 AM, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems to me "3:23" is already > machine-readable Does 3:23 mean 3 mins 23 seconds, or 3 hours 23 mins, or 23 minutes past three o'clock? ;-) -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss m

Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes

2007-12-15 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On Dec 14, 2007 6:45 PM, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a reasonable argument. It's not reasonable, though, to argue > (which you're not, at least not here, but which others seem to be) that > 16:03 is an abbreviation of what a human (geeks aside) would gather from > the context a