Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Bob Jonkman
This is what Toby A Inkster said about "[uf-discuss] Rationale for providin" on 28 May 2008 at 8:49 > André Luís wrote: > > > What is the rationale for providing an hAtom feed on a page for > > content that is also syndicated via a real Atom or RSS feed? > > > > Can someone provide me with a rea

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread David Janes
There's documented XFN examples of next/prev here [1] though I'm not sure what to make of the "officialness" of it. It would be cool this was formally documented in a way that could be used across microformats, though as Scott says in the -new mailing list. Regards, etc... David [1] http://micro

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Scott Reynen
On [May 28], at [ May 28] 7:07 , André Luís wrote: I always thought of rel="next" as a xfn-only thing. I'm not seeing rel="next" in the XFN documentation. Unless I'm missing something, it's not only not XFN-only, it's not XFN at all. On [May 28], at [ May 28] 10:09 , André Luís wrote: h

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread André Luís
*smacks forehead* Of course! Makes perfect sense. Why not extend this to other formats? hatom, rel="hfeed next" hcalendar, rel="hcalendar next" Since both formats have a root node to encapsulate several hentry|vevent, it would be (AFAIK) semantically correct. It would allow parsers to do a bett

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread James Aylett
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 02:07:29PM +0100, André Luís wrote: > Maybe rel="next" could be made a "recommendation" to establish links > between pages containing streams of uf's. Generically. HTML defines rel='next' [1] in terms of the relationship between the HTML documents. There's a semantic conce

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Mark Ng
2008/5/28 André Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I guess I did. :) I always thought of rel="next" as a xfn-only thing. > Maybe rel="next" could be made a "recommendation" to establish links > between pages containing streams of uf's. Generically. This is very It's already part of HTML : http://www.w3.o

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread André Luís
I guess I did. :) I always thought of rel="next" as a xfn-only thing. Maybe rel="next" could be made a "recommendation" to establish links between pages containing streams of uf's. Generically. This is very infinite-loop-prone, though. Parsers could "allow" following that stream or not. I don't see

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Mark Ng
2008/5/28 André Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mark Ng: Whoa! Never thought of that... it would be cool if there was > a way to paginate hatom feeds like xfn with rel="next". Is there? You just described it yourself ;). I'm not sure whether anyone is already doing it that way though. Mark

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread André Luís
Thanks everyone. I'll try to reply to every comment individually. (removed original comments to keep it short) David: I wasn't suggesting "replacing" atom/rss... I wanted to ask for use-cases or motivation to markup content that is also available through atom/rss feeds with hatom. My English betra

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Brian Suda
2008/5/28, Mark Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/5/28 André Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Can someone provide me with a real use case? --- someone else can confirm the details, but sites like technorati (and/or google/yahoo!) crawl the HTML pages and attempt to use heuristics to determine wh

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Mark Ng
> 2008/5/28 André Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Can someone provide me with a real use case? One good use case is a API of sorts for historical information. A news site, for example, normally only gives you RSS/Atom for, lets say, the last week. hAtom provides structure for data older than that-

[uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-28 Thread Toby A Inkster
André Luís wrote: What is the rationale for providing an hAtom feed on a page for content that is also syndicated via a real Atom or RSS feed? Can someone provide me with a real use case? One idea that I've been playing with is removing a page's Atom feed, and replacing it with something li

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-27 Thread Zhang Zhen
2008/5/28 André Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Can someone provide me with a real use case? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc304073(VS.85).aspx -- Zhang, Zhen http://www.lunaticsun.com ( in Chinese only ) ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: [uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-27 Thread David Janes
hAtom is microformat for adding semantic information to HTML microcontent, identifying information such as the content, summary, author, title and so forth. It is not and never has been intended to replace Atom or RSS feeds. Regards, etc... David On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM, André Luís <[EMA

[uf-discuss] Rationale for providing hAtom instead of Atom/RSS feeds

2008-05-27 Thread André Luís
Hello everyone, I've been preparing a presentation (in Portuguese) to help colleagues from work adopt and embrace microformats fully. So far I'm really enjoying doing it but I have come upon some doubts about hatom that I hope some of you can help me with. Here it goes. What is the rationale for