Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-21 Thread Phillip Pearson
Ed Summers wrote: On 12/21/05, Phillip Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've added this to the book review template for the Structured Blogging plugins, and put an example on cite-brainstorming#OpenURL in the wiki. Thanks Phil and Dan! When can we expect the openurl/coins support in

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-21 Thread Ed Summers
On 12/21/05, Phillip Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've added this to the book review template for the Structured > Blogging plugins, and put an example on cite-brainstorming#OpenURL in > the wiki. Thanks Phil and Dan! When can we expect the openurl/coins support in structured blogging to b

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-21 Thread Phillip Pearson
In related news, Daniel Chudnov (who wrote this: http://curtis.med.yale.edu/dchud/resolvable/) got in touch to point out COinS, which is a (fairly cryptic-looking) microformat that embeds OpenURL information inside HTML: http://ocoins.info/ It seems to be in current use: http://ocoins.inf

[uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Ryan Cannon
Greetings, I've actually been looking at this problem from another angle, and considered submitting a microformat about it. What we're really looking for is not solely citation data (such as ISBN), but bibliographic information. Perhaps a good method for starting is to break down the rele

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Bill Humphries
On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:39 PM, brian suda wrote: I know there has been alot of talk about a television microformat, IMHO i think that is just a very specialised version of a citation microformat, with additional specialised fields. Thanks Brian. B.K. DeLong and I had committed to researching

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread brian suda
Ryan Cannon wrote: >Greetings, > >I've actually been looking at this problem from another angle, and >considered submitting a microformat about it. What we're really looking >for is not solely citation data (such as ISBN), but bibliographic >information. Perhaps a good method for starting is to br

[uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Ryan Cannon
Greetings, I've actually been looking at this problem from another angle, and considered submitting a microformat about it. What we're really looking for is not solely citation data (such as ISBN), but bibliographic information. Perhaps a good method for starting is to break down the relevant info

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread brian suda
80% is exactly the point, i have started to put together a list of "common" citation types, MODS, BibTeX, Dublin Core, etc. Then trying to map the names between the many different formats, DC.Title->Title, Bibtex.year->DC.Date, etc. Then when we find all the common propties, we just give them our

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Ed Summers
On 12/20/05, Tim White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian Suda and I have had some on-again, off-again discussions > regarding a citation microformat. As this thread points out, solving > the whole thing in one shot is rather tricky. Well, perhaps rather than solving 100% of the citation problems

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Tim White
Brian Suda and I have had some on-again, off-again discussions regarding a citation microformat. As this thread points out, solving the whole thing in one shot is rather tricky. So, what we've come up with as a starting point is identifying design patterns and working on those first. I've tried to

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Edward Vielmetti
On 12/20/05, Ed Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed. Expecting microformatters to learn AACR2 and MARC's byzantine > tagging mechanism is a non starter. By definition MARC (Machine > Readable Cataloging) was designed for machines to read--not humans. > This is evident in the numeric tags th

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Ed Summers
On 12/20/05, Benjamin Carlyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MARC is typically used for cataloging rather than citation. It is the > electronic equivalent to a paper card catalogue in your local library. > Cataloging and citation are targeted at slightly different audiences. > Citation is targetted a

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-20 Thread Benjamin Carlyle
On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 23:23 -0600, Edward Summers wrote: > We've actually been throwing around some of these on the wiki: > http://microformats.org/wiki/cite > http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-brainstorming > http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-examples > MARC, or MARC21 as it is k

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Phillip Pearson
Edward Summers wrote: Perhaps the example could look something like this in XHTML: [...] It would be nice to have this on the wiki somewhere, perhaps on the http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-brainstorming ? Sure - I've added it, and the example links, to the bottom of that page. Cheers,

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Phillip Pearson
If it's not important to look like MARC data, take a look at the MODS and Dublin Core transformations, which are more human-friendly representations of this sort of data: http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/Sandburg/sandburgmods.xml http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/Sandburg/sandburgdc.

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Edward Summers
We've actually been throwing around some of these on the wiki: http://microformats.org/wiki/cite http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-brainstorming http://microformats.org/wiki/cite-examples MARC, or MARC21 as it is known after the harmonization of USMARC and CAN/M

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Edward Summers
On Dec 19, 2005, at 11:21 PM, Phillip Pearson wrote: Perhaps the example could look something like this in XHTML: Arithmetic / By Sandburg, Carlspan>, 1878-1967, and class="illustrator">Rand, Ted Publisher: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, San Diegospan> Published: 1993 A poem about numbers a

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Edward Vielmetti
Thanks Benjamin. I'm actually not after an XML-coded raw MARC format, let me explain the use case a little better. Our library has RSS feeds for all sorts of patron searches through the catalog (note "patron", not "cataloger"). I'm aiming for a microformat to mark up that RSS so that a minimally

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Benjamin Carlyle
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:32 +1300, Phillip Pearson wrote: > This would probably make more sense over on the microformats-discuss > list. Edward - visit > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/ to join. > Edward Vielmetti wrote: > >I'm looking for suggestions for a micro

[uf-discuss] Re: [Structuredblogging-discuss] microformat for books in a library catalog

2005-12-19 Thread Phillip Pearson
This would probably make more sense over on the microformats-discuss list. Edward - visit http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/ to join. I'm crossposting this over there in case this is a solved problem already... There are a bunch of links about encoding MARC data i