Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-04 Thread David Janes
On Jan 4, 2008 6:02 AM, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan Cannon > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > > >Andy Mabbett wrote: > >> We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that > >> an hCard with no children ... defaults to the equiva

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Andy Mabbett wrote: >> We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that >> an hCard with no children ... defaults to the equivalent of the full mark-up >> as used above. > >I wrote about this more than a

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Ryan Cannon
Andy Mabbett wrote: > We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that > an hCard with no children ... defaults to the equivalent of the full mark-up > as used above. I wrote about this more than a year ago[1] and created some wiki pages with examples: * http://microforma

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 22:55 +, Andy Mabbett wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin > McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 10:07 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > >> What if the include pattern could be used without having to be inside > >> an hcard? > >> as Joh

[uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 10:07 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: What if the include pattern could be used without having to be inside an hcard? as John Smith said You could wrap it in item: John Smith would the class-inc

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Brian Suda
On 03/01/2008, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 21:44 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: > > You could wrap it in item: > > > > > > John Smith > > > > > > would the class-include work then? > > Operator and Tails don't have any issues with wrapping fn in an Item and > usi

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 21:44 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: > You could wrap it in item: > > > John Smith > > > would the class-include work then? Operator and Tails don't have any issues with wrapping fn in an Item and using the class include http://weborganics.co.uk/files/test.html x2v on th

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Martin McEvoy
Hello Paul, Andy... On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 10:07 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > What if the include pattern could be used without having to be inside > an hcard? > as John Smith said You could wrap it in item: John Smith would the class-include work then? Martin __

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Jan 4, 2008 6:00 AM, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a great many pages where a vCard is, or could be applied to a > single data-value (such as a name) in prose, or a table, without further > attributes being present; for example: > > ...as John Smith said... > > Curr

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: Because they're the most appropriate semantics; I don't agree with that, but I'm not going to argue about it. and because people are already using the long-hand version of hCard to do so. vCard is an electronic business cards standard; hCard is not merely an electronic bu

[uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Guillaume Lebleu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Andy Mabbett wrote: We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that an hCard with no children: as John Smith said Why use the semantics of an electronic business cards standard to ta

Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: We could simply declare, in the manner of implied-n-optimisation, that an hCard with no children: as John Smith said Why use the semantics of an electronic business cards standard to tag an entity's name? isn't this an example of hammering unfit-for-hcard conte

[uf-discuss] Tentative proposal: Sub-microformats to streamline common microformat patterns for simple data

2008-01-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
One of the microformat principles is (while not expressed in so many words) that we should make life easier for publishers, and load work onto parsers, instead. There are a great many pages where a vCard is, or could be applied to a single data-value (such as a name) in prose, or a table, withou