Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 15, 2007, at 3:08 AM, Ciaran McNulty wrote: It seems to me "3:23" is already machine-readable Does 3:23 mean 3 mins 23 seconds, or 3 hours 23 mins, or 23 minutes past three o'clock? ;-) My point is it's not productive to ask such questions outside the context of the actual problem,

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 15, 2007 8:21 AM, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Agreed. I'll repost something I put into the GEO thread last week. > It's quoting directly from the HTML4 specification. This doesn't > actually need to have any concern with accessibility, or assistive > technology tools. Frankly, the

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 16:23 -0800, Tantek =?ISO-8859-1?B?xw==?=elik wrote: > On 12/14/07 3:55 PM, "Martin McEvoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 23:18 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: > >> I do NOT however believe that machine data should be displayed in a > >> people area such

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 13:36 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 1:21 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 12:33 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > > On Dec 15, 2007 12:18 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > you could perhaps do PT3:23 ? which

Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes The least that could be got away with is 00:03:23, at which point it would be a toss up between that or PT3M23S Both of the above formats are valid and should be accepted by parsers as a part of the ISO 8601 time/date f

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-15 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On Dec 15, 2007 1:40 AM, Scott Reynen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems to me "3:23" is already > machine-readable Does 3:23 mean 3 mins 23 seconds, or 3 hours 23 mins, or 23 minutes past three o'clock? ;-) -Ciaran McNulty ___ microformats-discuss m

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/14/07 3:55 PM, "Martin McEvoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 23:18 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: >> I do NOT however believe that machine data should be displayed in a >> people area such as @title, I think machine data can be stored >> elsewhere >> in a document such as i

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Ben Ward wrote: I am going to ask that we better define the problem. That we follow up the demand for a better pattern (regardless of whether your personal motivation is following the spec or assistive technology). I'd like to ask that people stop jumping strai

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 15, 2007 1:36 PM, Paul Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 1:21 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hmm are you sure? 3:23 is expressed as whole plus a decimal fraction > > That's if you use a comma or a fullstop. With the full colon it's > interpreted as hours

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 15, 2007 1:21 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 12:33 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > On Dec 15, 2007 12:18 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > you could perhaps do PT3:23 ? which seems more accurate > > Then it won't be able to be parsed as a

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 12:33 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 12:18 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:13 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > > I think you're right. It should be P3M23S instead. > > > > I dont think thats its possible to drop the *T* >

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 23:18 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: > I do NOT however believe that machine data should be displayed in a > people area such as @title, I think machine data can be stored > elsewhere > in a document such as in the in a list of 's or 's No but seriously, with my web designer h

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 15, 2007 12:18 PM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:13 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > I think you're right. It should be P3M23S instead. > > I dont think thats its possible to drop the *T* You're right, the T has to be there to resolve any ambiguity betwee

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:13 +1300, Paul Wilkins wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 9:19 AM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 19:21 +, Ben Ward wrote: > > > '3:23' IS NOT an > > > abbreviation of the string 'PT3M23S' (hAudio). > > I think you're right. It should be P3M23

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/14/07 1:13 PM, "Paul Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will you be contesting the date pattern as well? If the date pattern > is acceptable then the time pattern is directly acceptable as well > through the very same standards. Not necessarily. In fact, it has been reasonably hypothesi

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Wilkins
On Dec 15, 2007 9:19 AM, Martin McEvoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 19:21 +, Ben Ward wrote: > > '3:23' IS NOT an > > abbreviation of the string 'PT3M23S' (hAudio). I think you're right. It should be P3M23S instead. > A couple of us involved in the brainstorming and afte

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 19:21 +, Ben Ward wrote: > ‘3:23’ IS NOT an > abbreviation of the string ‘PT3M23S’ (hAudio). A couple of us involved in the brainstorming and after, Myself and Andy I think recommended that the duration class should just be expressed as 3:23 Its enough for hAudio I

Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Ben Ward
On 14 Dec 2007, at 14:06, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: I think all of the following would be misuses of ABBR and TITLE: | Combien d'œufs ai-je vendre? J'ai vendu | 45 aujourd'hui. | Combien d'œufs ai-je vendre? J'ai vendu 45 aujourd'hui. | Combien d'œufs ai-je vendre? J'ai vendu 45 aujourd'hu