On 08/14/2012 10:44 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:19:22 +0900
Nathan Findley nat...@zenlok.com wrote:
First of all, a deferred status is really out of my hands correct?
Most likely.
Aug 8 11:52:18 asp sendmail[13710]: q772pt1H016314:
to=***@*.co.jp,
Nate wrote on 08/17/2012 05:29:51 AM:
Is it generally accepted as being ok to directly contact the other
servers email administrator in order to try to resolve an undelivered
email? I am finding myself being berated by the other systems admin for
my unconventional methods in trying to
On 8/17/2012 5:29 AM, Nathan Findley wrote:
Is it generally accepted as being ok to directly contact the other
servers email administrator in order to try to resolve an undelivered
email? I am finding myself being berated by the other systems admin
for my unconventional methods in trying to
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:29:51 +0900
Nathan Findley nat...@zenlok.com wrote:
Is it generally accepted as being ok to directly contact the other
servers email administrator in order to try to resolve an undelivered
email?
Absolutely.
I am finding myself being berated by the other systems
Am 17.08.2012 11:29, schrieb Nathan Findley:
Is it generally accepted as being ok to directly contact the other
servers email administrator in order to try to resolve an undelivered
email?
Of course.
I am finding myself being berated by the other systems admin for
my unconventional methods
On 2012-08-17 4:29 AM, Nathan Findley wrote:
Is it generally accepted as being ok to directly contact the other servers email administrator in
order to try to resolve an undelivered email? I am finding myself being berated by the other
systems admin for my unconventional methods in trying to
Ben wrote on 08/17/2012 12:39:45 PM:
Not a whole lot you can do for them.
Lately, my attitude runs towards Just because you can install Exchange
doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
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On 2012-08-17 12:05 PM, wbr...@e1b.org wrote:
Ben wrote on 08/17/2012 12:39:45 PM:
Not a whole lot you can do for them.
Lately, my attitude runs towards Just because you can install Exchange
doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
And I've run into those types...
They're scary.
-Ben
Ben wrote on 08/17/2012 01:07:46 PM:
And I've run into those types...
They're scary.
And they tend to resent when you point out their problems.
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:05:36 -0400
wbr...@e1b.org wrote:
Lately, my attitude runs towards Just because you can install
Exchange doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
snark
Proficiency at installing Exchange is *inversely* correlated with competence.
/snark
Regards,
David.
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:05:36 -0400
wbr...@e1b.org wrote:
Lately, my attitude runs towards Just because you can install
Exchange doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
snark
Proficiency at installing Exchange is *inversely* correlated with
competence.
/snark
Wow ... where did all this come
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:41:15 +0100
Jon Rowlan jon.row...@sads.com wrote:
[DFS]
snark
Proficiency at installing Exchange is *inversely* correlated with
competence.
/snark
Wow ... where did all this come from?
Years of customer support for lots of small businesses who use
Exchange.
Pop
On 2012-08-17 12:41 PM, Jon Rowlan wrote:
As I run exchange and sendmail/MD systems I thought I would see why the
exchange bods were being bashed again ...
Did I miss something?
Sort of. And it's because you run sendmail/MD systems (most importantly, not
exchange).
My best story on
Jon wrote on 08/17/2012 01:41:15 PM:
As I run exchange and sendmail/MD systems I thought I would see why the
exchange bods were being bashed again ...
Running exchange is not proof you don't know what you're doing, but not
knowing how to run a mail system seems to correlate closely with
On 8/17/2012 1:49 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
Proficiency at installing Exchange is *inversely* correlated with
competence.
Wow ... where did all this come from?
Years of customer support for lots of small businesses who use
Exchange.
Now you missed the perfect snarky moment to tell Jon we were
On 2012-08-17 12:41 PM, Jon Rowlan wrote:
Did I miss something?
I forgot to conclude...
For YOU: you sort of did miss something.. but not in a bad way.
You have experience far beyond your Exchange brethren.
It's a good thing. I wouldn't be upset I didn't get that one...
-Ben
p.s. I also
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:08:34 -0400
Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:
A) Microsoft's Active Directory Domains pre-date the general concept
of Internet Domains. When the two got combined it causes a lot of
issues and especially causes issues when an AD thinks it is named,
for example,
Well some of us are not quite so stupid as we choose
Linux/Sendmail/MimeDefang/SpamAssassin as well as Exchange.
It's a case of horses for courses ..
For usability, I have never seen anything that competes with Outlook
integrated with Exchange for workgroup collaboration.
For relaying email I
-Original Message-
From: Jon Rowlan jon.row...@sads.com
Reply-To: mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com
mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:33 PM
To: mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com
mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com
Subject: Re: [Mimedefang] Mail Admin
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 19:33:15 +0100
Jon Rowlan jon.row...@sads.com wrote:
I can see the benefits of both sides, my question was simply, why is
there an assumption that the problem is caused by a badly managed
Exchange system?
Ah, sorry. I was replying snarkily about the competence of most
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:08:34 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:
A) Microsoft's Active Directory Domains pre-date the general concept
of Internet Domains.
Not possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
I had an official internet email address in 1989 when I was on
On 2012-08-17 1:52 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
If you pick a random Exchange admin from the whole population, you're
more likely to end up with an incompetent one than if you try the same
thing with Sendmail admins, for the simple reasons that Sendmail is
less popular than Exchange and it
On Jan 7, 7:40am, Ben Kamen wrote:
}
} These were seasoned/experience MAIL ADMINs...
Some people have ten years of experience, others have one year of
experience repeated nine times. Or, in this case, one month of
experience repeated 119 times.
}-- End of excerpt from Ben Kamen
Hi, all,
I've had a request to end this thread as it's off-topic and I tend to
agree. Let's let it go.
Thanks,
David.
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Curiosity question for Todd and Jon,
At this point in the game with people moving to very web based mail operation,
are there any compelling reasons are there to stick with Exchange in the
future? (other than legacy setup and a new learning curve?)
And have your companies considered moving to
On 2012-08-17 2:08 PM, John Nemeth wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:40am, Ben Kamen wrote:
}
} These were seasoned/experience MAIL ADMINs...
Some people have ten years of experience, others have one year of
experience repeated nine times. Or, in this case, one month of
experience repeated 119 times.
On 2012-08-17 2:09 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
Hi, all,
I've had a request to end this thread as it's off-topic and I tend to
agree. Let's let it go.
I thought it was interesting - but agree. I have a couple more emails queued
before this one.
This will be my last on the subject.
Cheers,
On Jan 7, 8:44am, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
} On 8/17/2012 1:49 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
} Proficiency at installing Exchange is *inversely* correlated with
} competence.
} Wow ... where did all this come from?
} Years of customer support for lots of small businesses who use
} Exchange.
} Now
Ben wrote on 08/17/2012 02:58:05 PM:
I had an official internet email address in 1989 when I was on GEnie
Information Services. I was bka...@genie.geis.com
According to the grasshopper book, RFCs 882 and 883 were released in 1984,
which defined DNS, which replaced a centrally managed
Curiosity question for Todd and Jon,
At this point in the game with people moving to very web based mail
operation, are there any compelling reasons are there to stick with
Exchange in the future? (other than legacy setup and a new learning
curve?)
And have your companies considered
On Jan 7, 2:08pm, Jon Rowlan wrote:
}
} Well some of us are not quite so stupid as we choose
} Linux/Sendmail/MimeDefang/SpamAssassin as well as Exchange.
And, some of us use *BSD/sendmail/MIMEDefang/SpamAssassin, but
let's not get into an OS war. :-
} But you have to consider that not
On 8/17/2012 2:58 PM, Ben Kamen wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:08:34 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail
kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:
A) Microsoft's Active Directory Domains pre-date the general concept
of Internet Domains.
Not possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
Actually, I'm talking
On Jan 7, 8:45am, Ben Kamen wrote:
}
} Curiosity question for Todd and Jon,
}
} At this point in the game with people moving to very web based mail
} operation, are there any compelling reasons are there to stick with
} Exchange in the future? (other than legacy setup and a new learning
}
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Ben Kamen bka...@benjammin.net wrote:
Curiosity question for Todd and Jon,
At this point in the game with people moving to very web based mail
operation, are there any compelling reasons are there to stick with Exchange
in the future? (other than legacy setup
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 15:27:37 -0400
Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote:
I consider .local to be officially grandfathered as an internal-use
TLD akin to non routing IPv4 space like 192.168.X and 10.X albeit not
as based in standards.
This is interesting reading:
--- On Fri, 8/17/12, David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
...
Microsoft markets its products as easy to use and to set up. That's
probably true on a superficial level so you end up with thousands of
admins with only superficial knowledge.
Too bad that they don't create their
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