Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-30 Thread David F. Skoll
Steffen Kaiser wrote: > However, it is possible to notify end-users about this case. Once I > placed the MAIL FROM into the subject, if the addresses differ, but this > caused lots of grief with mailing lists. > I wonder why so few MUAs show a notice, when Return-Path and From > differs. - - Actu

Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Murphy
>> Not really. SPF applies to envelope senders; people's mail clients >> show the header senders. So you can have MAIL FROM: >> and From: with an SPF pass. :-( > However, it is possible to notify end-users about this case. Once I placed > the MAIL FROM into the subject, if the addresses diff

Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-30 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, David F. Skoll wrote: Not really. SPF applies to envelope senders; people's mail clients show the header senders. So you can have MAIL FROM: and From: with an SPF pass. :-( However, it is possible to notify end-users about

Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-29 Thread Kelson
- wrote: It's useful as a message REJECTION tool. It can also useful when the method passes, in that we have a responsible IP address to complain to or about. SPF and DKIM are also useful as one component of whitelist data, because an SPF pass means you can trust the envelope sender's domain

Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-29 Thread -
SPF isn't an anti-spam tool. It is an anti-FORGERY tool. It would only eliminate forged (or "spoofed") spam, not spam that doesn't hide its origin. It has some situations that it doesn't detect: - Cross-user forgeries (within the same domain). - Cross-domain forgeries (when multiple domains

Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-29 Thread Rob MacGregor
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 22:07, David F. Skoll wrote: > Paul Murphy wrote: > >> Proper implementation of SPF or a similar system across all mail domains >> would cut spamming by 99% overnight, > > No, it wouldn't. > > Spammers would publish SPF records for their throwaway domains.  We > already see

Re: [Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-29 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Not really. SPF applies to envelope senders; people's mail clients show the header senders. So you can have MAIL FROM: and From: with an SPF pass. :-( You know, I just figured this out myself. I had thought I had my record incorrect. Pretty damn pointless IMO. Regards, KAM _

[Mimedefang] SPF Usefulness (was Re: SNARE spam detection)

2009-07-29 Thread David F. Skoll
Paul Murphy wrote: > Proper implementation of SPF or a similar system across all mail domains > would cut spamming by 99% overnight, No, it wouldn't. Spammers would publish SPF records for their throwaway domains. We already see this quite a bit. > and would remove almost all of the risk from