Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread Jeremy Huiskamp
On 15-Sep-07, at 10:57 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Fact #3 Any way you want to look at it, looks like very much a Copyright violation was committed, but then SFLC said it's OK. Front page: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ No debate and can't be argue. Fact #4 And publish a release to that effec

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread Richard Stallman
In the case of Ryek's code, the reverse is true but instead of admitting the mistake and making the needed corrections, FSF has pulled out their lawyers in hopes of getting away with the theft. You have jumped to a false conclusion. The FSF is not involved in this; Linux is not our

Re: sudo & wheel group

2007-09-15 Thread Nick Guenther
On 9/15/07, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I been looking for ways to let normal user run privileged commands and > after some searching found that adding users to the wheel group is bad > and also adding NOPASSWD and ALL = ALL to sudoers for an user is also > plain as bad. The only alternative

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
So you are suggesting that all the ethics ramblings coming out of gnu.org aren't relevant? Because gnu.org is clearly looking the other way ignoring copyright infringement. On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 07:41:55PM -0400, bofh wrote: > On 9/15/07, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This has ever

Re: sudo & wheel group

2007-09-15 Thread Aaron W. Hsu
What exactly are you trying to enable users to do? The fact that you need to provide normal users with these kind of privileges indicates a possible flaw in your overall scheme. You may find that, after careful reconsideration, there are precious few commands that you would actually have to allo

sudo & wheel group

2007-09-15 Thread Chris
I been looking for ways to let normal user run privileged commands and after some searching found that adding users to the wheel group is bad and also adding NOPASSWD and ALL = ALL to sudoers for an user is also plain as bad. The only alternative I can think of at the moment is to populate the sudo

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Saturday 15 September 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version > > > has the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't > > > allow some users to loose f

Re: Thank You OpenBSD

2007-09-15 Thread Andrés
> Question: Is it true there was a developer's comment line in the Linux > kernel that said, "Does this belong here?" Don't know that. But I do see this: ftp -Vo - http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/sys/arch/mac68k/mac68k/machdep.c?rev=1.142 | grep belong Greetings.

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread bofh
On 9/15/07, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This has everything to do with Stallman's FSF/SFLC lawyer cronies. > They're the ones giving faulty counsel to Linux developers. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. People who have spoken with him indicated to me that he

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 08:19:39AM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > > > > You seem uneducated about how powerless

Thank You OpenBSD

2007-09-15 Thread Sean Darby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello fellows from the OpenBSD community, I just wanted to stop and smell the roses. I occasionally play around with other systems, of the Unix variety and, for the sake of seeing things through the looking glass, taking an outside perspective, the oc

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Damien Miller
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > > You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to > > > change a program because he has no

Re: pf & outbound modulate state

2007-09-15 Thread Henning Brauer
* Craig Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-09-15 16:21]: > Doing a pf.conf tidy up. From the pf.conf man page on 4.1: > > STATE MODULATION > > Much of the security derived from TCP is attributable to how well the > initial sequence numbers (ISNs) are chosen. Some popular stack implemen > tations

Re: unstable and multiple reboot for 4.2 on Sun X4100 M2 with ACPI enable on AMD64 bsd.mp with SAS RAID 1 setup.

2007-09-15 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Rolf Sommerhalder wrote: The latest snapshot (13. Sept). of amd64 bsd.mp with ACPI enabled runs stable on two X4100 M2 which are identically configured (single SAS disk only, no RAID-1 yet, with current BIOS/SP/SAS Firmware from Sun). Be caution and with reserved! Not stable if you do not add a

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-15 Thread Henning Brauer
* L. V. Lammert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-09-14 18:33]: > At 12:00 PM 9/14/2007 -0400, Trash Compactor wrote: >>> Alternatively, you can put puc(4) cards into an OpenBSD box or hook >>> up a tangle of ucom(4) adapters to a tree of powered USB hubs >> There are several multi-port USB-serial adapters

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-15 Thread Henning Brauer
* Stuart Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-09-14 21:39]: > USB - the number of boxes I've had to disable USB on to stabilise, > this would not usually be my first choice. ymmv, as they say (-: wtf? out of the about 180 i control i don't have a simgle one with usb disabled... -- Henning Brauer

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Marco Peereboom
Great attitude! As the main spokesperson for GNU this is exactly what you should do. Run run run!! You are in essence saying: go ahead break the law, I'll look the other way. Bravo! I am totally impressed by your ethics ramblings. On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:09:19PM -0400, Richard Stallman wro

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
> Most people think it's magic, and most don't understand that I've always had the impression that OpenBSD is NOT "most people" They seem to be people who think it's actually worthwhile knowing what they are talking about. Seems like most people on this list think that you are incredibly dense an

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 03:53:02PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 12:33:02PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > > I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has > > > > the freedom to

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
This definitly has to be a joke :) You're pulling my leg, mister! ;) On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:13:31AM -0500, Tony Abernethy wrote: > So you admit you are incompetent. > > If you were really competent you would be able to read the blinking lights > and alter running programs via the swwitches. >

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-15 Thread Diana Eichert
Geez, a thread that should have died already and I'm contributing to it. I've used FreeBSD and OpenBSD for at least 9 years. I much prefer the OpenBSD installer over the FreeBSD installer any day. If people read just a tiny little bit the OpenBSD install docs they'd realize the OpenBSD method i

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-15 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 18:55 -0700, asdf wrote: > --- Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some > > kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at > > some point. Honestly I can't remember a muc

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 15, 2007, at 9:42 AM, bofh wrote: On 9/15/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The "GNU Manifesto" by Richard Stallman can be found here: http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/info/GNUGNU If Stallman actually believed a word of what he wrote above, he would still be dedicating all of hi

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
So you admit you are incompetent. If you were really competent you would be able to read the blinking lights and alter running programs via the swwitches. By the way, there is a difference between reading and writing. But then, you seem to actually be THAT incompetent. > -Original Message--

Re: Creating bridge problem

2007-09-15 Thread Nick Holland
Jake Conk wrote: > Hello, > > For some reason when I try to add my bridge interface to one of my > cards it just hangs. My commands are: > > ifconfig bridge0 create > ifconfig bridge0 add fxp1 > > And it just hangs pretty much forever until i Ctrl-C it... If I put in > my /etc/hostname.bridge0 f

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Marc Espie
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 12:33:02PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > > I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has > > > the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow > > > some users

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 07:25:29AM -0500, Tony Abernethy wrote: > Damien Miller wrote: > > To: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > > Cc: J.C. Roberts; misc@openbsd.org > > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > > > You seem unedu

pf & outbound modulate state

2007-09-15 Thread Craig Skinner
Doing a pf.conf tidy up. From the pf.conf man page on 4.1: STATE MODULATION Much of the security derived from TCP is attributable to how well the initial sequence numbers (ISNs) are chosen. Some popular stack implemen tations choose very poor ISNs and thus are normally susceptible to ISN predict

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
> as if that would make all past wrong > arguments become true. Your subjunctive is derailed. Tweedledee is getting tweedledummer and dummer

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 09:54:10PM +1000, Damien Miller wrote: > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to > > change a program because he has no access to the source code. > > You seem to be entirely missin

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 07:11:38AM -0500, Tony Abernethy wrote: > > Good luck doing so without any source code. > Teehee Teehee. No luck required. > It does however take a wee bit of skill and competence. > Actually, for exacting work, the source is a liability. > The source tends to make assorted

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 12:58:36PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to > > change a program because he has no access to the source code. > > That is only because you are uneducated in the art of assembly and more > importantly t

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread bofh
On 9/15/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The "GNU Manifesto" by Richard Stallman can be found here: > http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/info/GNUGNU > > If Stallman actually believed a word of what he wrote above, he would > still be dedicating all of his works to the public domain since i

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
Damien Miller wrote: > To: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > Cc: J.C. Roberts; misc@openbsd.org > Subject: Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words > > On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without > the freedom > > to change a pro

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
> Good luck doing so without any source code. Teehee Teehee. No luck required. It does however take a wee bit of skill and competence. Actually, for exacting work, the source is a liability. The source tends to make assorted bugs vanish. > You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Jeroen Massar
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: >>> I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has >>> the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow >>> some users to loose freedom... >> Hello again Rui, >> >> t

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Damien Miller
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > You seem uneducated about how powerless someone is without the freedom to > change a program because he has no access to the source code. You seem to be entirely missing the irony of making this statement in the context of an argument about so

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 05:29:31PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > >I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has the > >freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow some users > >to loose freedom... > > You make the point of u

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:09:41AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote: > On 9/14/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:33AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: > > > | I don't establish *anything*. It's in the preamble. > > > > > > Your exact words are "that's in th

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:25:38PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has > > the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow > > some users to loose freedom... > > Hello again Rui, > > the US. Over here, if you own a c

cups printing question

2007-09-15 Thread Denny White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm getting garbled printouts when I try to print to my xp network shared printer, an HP DeskJet 722C, from my OpenBSD 4.1 box. A good for instance is the OpenBSD home page. Graphics printed great, but about 3/4 of the left side of the page was lopped

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 03:33:18AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: thank you. I've tried but I get too pissed. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

Creating bridge problem

2007-09-15 Thread Jake Conk
Hello, For some reason when I try to add my bridge interface to one of my cards it just hangs. My commands are: ifconfig bridge0 create ifconfig bridge0 add fxp1 And it just hangs pretty much forever until i Ctrl-C it... If I put in my /etc/hostname.bridge0 file... add fxp1 up ...then on my sc

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-15 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thursday 13 September 2007, Jason Dixon wrote: > It boggles my mind that we can lie around complacently, arguing about > installer menus and taking the bait from trolls, while our freedoms > are quickly eroding away. The rights and recognition of one of our > own developers (reyk@) have been

Re: unstable and multiple reboot for 4.2 on Sun X4100 M2 with ACPI enable on AMD64 bsd.mp with SAS RAID 1 setup.

2007-09-15 Thread Rolf Sommerhalder
The latest snapshot (13. Sept). of amd64 bsd.mp with ACPI enabled runs stable on two X4100 M2 which are identically configured (single SAS disk only, no RAID-1 yet, with current BIOS/SP/SAS Firmware from Sun). As Daniel already observed with a snapshot that is two days older, booting is much fast

Re: FW: Problem with ftp-proxy -- additional info

2007-09-15 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/14/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Ok, here is a sample. I tried a connection from my workstation 10.0.0.103 > to ftp.openbsd.org. > > > Firewall's pf.conf > ---BEGIN > if_loopback="lo0" # loopback > if_public="em1" # connected to public network > if_int="b

Re: Problem installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH

2007-09-15 Thread Insan Praja SW
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:33:42 +0700, Mark Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I already tried to do that, but it seem that OpenBSD installer dont use bios information (things like no bios on dmesg). I might trying to install openBSD 3.9 or 4.1, since I have successfully install a 3.9 on

PF - load balance/round-robin/multiple ports

2007-09-15 Thread Adam PAPAI
Hello List, I'd like to do a similar thing like this: web_servers = "{ 10.0.0.10, 10.0.0.11, 10.0.0.13 }" rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to any port 80 -> $web_servers \ round-robin sticky-address But I'd like to define multiple ports and I'd like to loop through the ports. So like