Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:49:38AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Anthony Roberts [2009-12-16 07:45]: > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:15:25 -0500, Ted Unangst > > wrote: > > > As the manufacturers point out, 10,000 write cycles (basically the > > > minimum) means you can overwrite the flash once per

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

* Anthony Roberts [2009-12-16 07:45]: > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:15:25 -0500, Ted Unangst > wrote: > > As the manufacturers point out, 10,000 write cycles (basically the > > minimum) means you can overwrite the flash once per day for 27 years. > > That's a lot of IO for a soekris. > > It's possibl

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:45:58AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > > Ufff, did you read link which I send before? > > http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/ > > Because there is everything described including mounting fs ro, > > install and so on. > > It's giving bad advices. > > You can set

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:45:58AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > Ufff, did you read link which I send before? > http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/ > Because there is everything described including mounting fs ro, > install and so on. It's giving bad advices. You can setup a soekris using

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On 16/12/2009, at 4:50 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:15:25 -0500, Ted Unangst >> wrote: >>> As the manufacturers point out, 10,000 write cycles (basically the >>> minimum) means you can overwrite the flash once per day for 27 years. >>> That's a lot of IO for a soekris. >> >>

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

> i havent been using flash media as long as theo, but i will second this. > > i also figure it is cheaper for me to replace the media if it fails = > (which hasnt happened yet) than spend the time tweaking the install to = > not write to the media much. same applies to cutting the install down to

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:15:25 -0500, Ted Unangst > wrote: > > As the manufacturers point out, 10,000 write cycles (basically the > > minimum) means you can overwrite the flash once per day for 27 years. > > That's a lot of IO for a soekris. > > It's possible to kill CF cards doing builds or simi

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

Ufff, did you read link which I send before? http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/ Because there is everything described including mounting fs ro, install and so on. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:51 PM, stan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 01:32:44PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: >> Joachim Schi

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:15:25 -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: > As the manufacturers point out, 10,000 write cycles (basically the > minimum) means you can overwrite the flash once per day for 27 years. > That's a lot of IO for a soekris. It's possible to kill CF cards doing builds or similar. The wear

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

Nick Holland wrote: ... >>> second, I have no idea how to boot a Soekris box from install media. There >>> is no floppy, no CD... how do I acomplish this? ... > faq14.html has a lot of info about flash drives, both as data and > boot media. I sat down to add something to the FAQ about installing t

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:06:43 -0600, Matt Bettinger wrote: >Pxeboot bsd.rd seems most straightforward without having to mess with >trying to close their stupid cases. www.yawarra.com.au has unstupid cases. They are what I use. I have no beneficial interest in the company, I just hope they contin

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On 12/15/2009 03:50 PM, Jonathan Thornburg wrote: For example, 2 years ago I set up a home firewall using a 1GB Kingston CF card. For precisely the reasons Nick Holland outlined, I used a standard OpenBSD install (done by plugging the CF card into a USB-to-CF adaptor and then connecting the USB

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:22 PM, "Rod Whitworth" wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:35:32 + (UTC), Christian Weisgerber wrote: I'm sure that original CF card would *eventually* fail if I kept it in service long enough... Or some other hardware component. Or more likely, the whole system bec

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Nick Holland wrote: > Aaron Mason wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:51 AM, stan wrote: >>> OK with one resevation you have convinced me. Let's eliminate teh >>> reservation. One of the features of the system I chose was that it mounts >>> the flas RO, and uses

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:35:32 + (UTC), Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> I'm sure that original CF card would *eventually* fail if I kept it in >> service long enough... > >Or some other hardware component. Or more likely, the whole system >becomes obsolete first. Absolutely! I have a Soekris 48

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Nick Holland wrote: > Being that I don't suggest that people use mysterious commands they > get off the Internet without fully understanding how they work, > here's an alternative way that I think will help > > Try this: >> 10) # insert CF card into a card reader >

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

Aaron Mason wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:51 AM, stan wrote: >> OK with one resevation you have convinced me. Let's eliminate teh >> reservation. One of the features of the system I chose was that it mounts >> the flas RO, and uses memory filesystems for volatile stuff. Is this no >> longer i

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

stan wrote: > OK with one resevation you have convinced me. Let's eliminate teh > reservation. One of the features of the system I chose was that it mounts > the flas RO, and uses memory filesystems for volatile stuff. Is this no > longer important? The only point of mounting filesystems read-on

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

Jonathan Thornburg wrote: > For example, 2 years ago I set up a home firewall using a 1GB > Kingston CF card. For precisely the reasons Nick Holland outlined, > I used a standard OpenBSD install (done by plugging the CF card into > a USB-to-CF adaptor and then connecting the USB to my laptop).

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:51 AM, stan wrote: > OK with one resevation you have convinced me. Let's eliminate teh > reservation. One of the features of the system I chose was that it mounts > the flas RO, and uses memory filesystems for volatile stuff. Is this no > longer important? I have 2 existi

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jonathan Thornburg wrote: > In > Nick Holland gave a bunch of excellent reasons to just do a standard > install on a cheap compact-flash (CF) card. Another point... with > today's compact flash cards, you ma

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

In Nick Holland gave a bunch of excellent reasons to just do a standard install on a cheap compact-flash (CF) card. Another point... with today's compact flash cards, you may well be able to simply ignore the issue of finite-number-of-write-

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:51 PM, stan wrote: > OK with one resevation you have convinced me. Let's eliminate teh > reservation. One of the features of the system I chose was that it mounts > the flas RO, and uses memory filesystems for volatile stuff. Is this no > longer important? I have 2 existi

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 02:51:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 01:32:44PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > > Joachim Schipper wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:25:50AM -0500, stan wrote: > > > OK with one resevation you have convinced me. Let's eliminate teh > reservation. One

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 01:32:44PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > Joachim Schipper wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:25:50AM -0500, stan wrote: > >> I am trying to put OpenBSD on some Soekris machines. I have looked around > >> and fount the flashrd toolkit. Uinsg it, I was able to create a boota

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 01:32:44PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > Just yesterday, I inquired about "small" CF media. Smallest my local > computer superstore had was...4G. 4G!! Want a smaller one? I've a (4 years old) 256MB media in my soekris and I'd exchange it for the 4GB one ;-) Oh, and for th

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

Joachim Schipper wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:25:50AM -0500, stan wrote: >> I am trying to put OpenBSD on some Soekris machines. I have looked around >> and fount the flashrd toolkit. Uinsg it, I was able to create a bootable >> compact flash image for one of the machines. However, I pretty

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

I've been playing around with this lately, so I'm happy to have a stab at an answer, with the caveat that this reflects a recollection of my reading of the code rather than any attempt to make it work to your requirements. Whatever I may fail to clarify, recall, or understand is best taken

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:25:50AM -0500, stan wrote: > I am trying to put OpenBSD on some Soekris machines. I have looked around > and fount the flashrd toolkit. Uinsg it, I was able to create a bootable > compact flash image for one of the machines. However, I pretty much did it > by following th

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/ On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:25 PM, stan wrote: > I am trying to put OpenBSD on some Soekris machines. I have looked around > and fount the flashrd toolkit. Uinsg it, I was able to create a bootable > compact flash image for one of the machines. However,

A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

I am trying to put OpenBSD on some Soekris machines. I have looked around and fount the flashrd toolkit. Uinsg it, I was able to create a bootable compact flash image for one of the machines. However, I pretty much did it by following the driections without understnaidng what was being don, and we