Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 07:07:00PM +, Joe Warren-Meeks wrote: > for me, 16Mbit/s adsl2+. Quite normal in the UK. It's great. I have 8Mbit ADSL, and it's way faster than the network at school. Why on earth should schools cater for usage that has low to no educational value? I'm quite happy wi

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Joe Warren-Meeks
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:32:20PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hey there > What speed is normal house-hold "high-speed" internet anyway? This > would be the best that most students would have experienced. Remote directory: /pub/OpenBSD/4.2 ftp> get xenocara.tar.gz local: xenocara.tar.gz rem

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 08:03:08AM -0800, Unix Fan wrote: > You realize that a 10 Mbit card has a maximum theoretical transfer rate > of 1220 Kilobytes per second... such a speed the ISA bus can't even achieve. > > Even my home broadband line exceeds those speeds ;) > Setting workstations to

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 08:10:21AM -0800, Unix Fan wrote: > I/Unixfan wrote: > > > such a speed the ISA bus can't even achieve. > Apologies, While the rest of what I said was true.. this clearly wasn't. > The ISA bus should be able to accomplish 10Mbit+ speeds.. > > -Nix Fan. So you're saying 'N

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Unix Fan
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Well, I've never had high-speed internet and I get along just fine. My > NFS server was my IBM 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram and a 10 MB/s ISA card. > Worked just fine. > > What wil the students be doing where they would need more than 10 MB/s > each between them and y

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Unix Fan
I/Unixfan wrote: > such a speed the ISA bus can't even achieve. Apologies, While the rest of what I said was true.. this clearly wasn't. The ISA bus should be able to accomplish 10Mbit+ speeds.. Please don't hurt me ;) -Nix Fan. -Nix Fan.

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:28:01PM -0700, Sherwood Botsford wrote: > HOWEVER, these switches are dying like flies at a RAID show. > I've had 5 of them die in the last 3 months. (I also use them in > classrooms -- Overkill, for 3-4 computers in a classroom, but, as > I said, the price is right.)

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:03:57PM -0800, Chris Kuethe wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 7:57 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Better to throttle the student's desktop than to throttle the student. > > :) > > You don't know the students I went there. > Ok, then forget Cat5e. Fibre

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Feb 6, 2008 7:57 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Better to throttle the student's desktop than to throttle the student. > :) You don't know the students I went there. CK -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:20:44PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >Put one in each classroom and run 100 MB/s to > >the upstream server and configure the desktops to only link at 10 MB/s > > Why force them at 10? Well, I've never had high-speed internet and I get along j

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread bofh
On Feb 6, 2008 9:38 PM, Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Sherwood Botsford wrote: > > 2. I figure there is less likely to be gotchas if all my core > > switches are from the same vendor. What vendors do you recommend > > for inexpensive switches. > > Go used,

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Steve Shockley
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Put one in each classroom and run 100 MB/s to the upstream server and configure the desktops to only link at 10 MB/s Why force them at 10?

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Steve Shockley
Sherwood Botsford wrote: So I went to 3com's web site. Got frustrated as hell trying to find what I was looking for. 3com still makes switches? 1. Why is a cisco 2960-PT-ATTL eleven times the price of a Dell PowerConnect 2724? Because it's painted that special blue-green color and has a pic

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread bofh
On Feb 6, 2008 9:28 PM, Sherwood Botsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Part of my job description is to come as close as possible to > doing everything with no resources. (My entire IT budget for this > year is $6K. That includes internet connectivity, all repairs, > Are things really that tight

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:28:01PM -0700, Sherwood Botsford wrote: > HOWEVER, these switches are dying like flies at a RAID show. > I've had 5 of them die in the last 3 months. (I also use them in > classrooms -- Overkill, for 3-4 computers in a classroom, but, as > I said, the price is right.

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Jason Dixon
On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Sherwood Botsford wrote: Part of my job description is to come as close as possible to doing everything with no resources. (My entire IT budget for this year is $6K. That includes internet connectivity, all repairs, all infra- structure costs, and all core softwa

Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Sherwood Botsford
Part of my job description is to come as close as possible to doing everything with no resources. (My entire IT budget for this year is $6K. That includes internet connectivity, all repairs, all infra-structure costs, and all core software. About $100/computer) THIS year I have about 4K for s