Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Breen Ouellette
Theo de Raadt wrote: As far as I am concerned, yes we can email and complain, but they are so arrogant that nothing will change. Arrogant people change when their arrogance is too publically displayed. Not only that, but arrogant people leave their jobs and sometimes the replacements ar

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 02:17:58PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > I am interested in this information as well. A list of recommended > > products wold be great or something to that effect. > > A list of recommended products may help you, but would not help the > user list at large. They will con

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 02:17:58PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > A list of recommended products may help you, but would not help the > user list at large. They will continue to accidentally buy the wrong > hardware from the wrong vendors. It would be a tremendous burden on > us to keep such a lis

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 03:17:39PM -0400, marrandy wrote: > On Sunday 01 October 2006 12:14, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > I believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is another person who > > is involved. > > > > These people will try to tell you that "there are parts of the > > firmware that Intel does not own".

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I am interested in this information as well. A list of recommended > products wold be great or something to that effect. A list of recommended products may help you, but would not help the user list at large. They will continue to accidentally buy the wrong hardware from the wrong vendors. It

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
> As far as I am concerned, yes we can email and complain, but they are so > arrogant that nothing will change. Arrogant people change when their arrogance is too publically displayed.

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 03:17:39PM -0400, marrandy wrote: > I want to know from the OpenBSD community, which products are best supported, > which are the best (less cpu load, more bandwidth ie. more efficient etc.). > > I am really not interested in intel, adaptek and their games anymore. > > I

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread marrandy
On Sunday 01 October 2006 12:14, Theo de Raadt wrote: > I believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is another person who > is involved. > > These people will try to tell you that "there are parts of the > firmware that Intel does not own". They'll say that positively about > two of the firmwares, and want y

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Henning Brauer
* Louis Bertrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-01 17:51]: > Louis Bertrand wrote: > >Mr. Awad, > > > >As a user and supporter of open source projects, I am calling on Intel > > The address [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. > Anybody have anything more current? > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host mga01.intel.co

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
I believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is another person who is involved. These people will try to tell you that "there are parts of the firmware that Intel does not own". They'll say that positively about two of the firmwares, and want you believe that is the case for all three. Then you can read the

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 11:45:57AM -0400, Louis Bertrand wrote: > Louis Bertrand wrote: > >Mr. Awad, > > > >As a user and supporter of open source projects, I am calling on Intel > > The address [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. > Anybody have anything more current? > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host mga01.i

Re: Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Louis Bertrand
Louis Bertrand wrote: Mr. Awad, As a user and supporter of open source projects, I am calling on Intel The address [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. Anybody have anything more current? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host mga01.intel.com[192.55.52.88] said: 501 #5.1.1 bad address [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in re

Open source support for Intel wifi chipsets

2006-10-01 Thread Louis Bertrand
Mr. Awad, As a user and supporter of open source projects, I am calling on Intel to revise its policy on distributing firmware and hardware documentation for its wireless chipsets. The firmware binary bundle should be freely distributable in its original form, without requiring users or developer