Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:31 AM, M Wheeler < > > > b9dcbd36df10828fdb237104a05fd...@refn.eu> wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 07:19:19AM -0400, bofh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Unless you are in India, or Pakistan, or any of the other > > > > > countries where Blackberry basically

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Tue, 26 May 2015 14:06:57 +0200 Otto Moerbeek wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 08:01:47AM -0400, bofh wrote: > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:31 AM, M Wheeler < > > b9dcbd36df10828fdb237104a05fd...@refn.eu> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 08:01:47AM -0400, bofh wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:31 AM, M Wheeler < > b9dcbd36df10828fdb237104a05fd...@refn.eu> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 07:19:19AM -0400, bofh wrote: > > > > > > Unless you are in India, or Pakistan, or any of the other countries where

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread bofh
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:31 AM, M Wheeler < b9dcbd36df10828fdb237104a05fd...@refn.eu> wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 07:19:19AM -0400, bofh wrote: > > > > Unless you are in India, or Pakistan, or any of the other countries where > > Blackberry basically gave them the backdoor. Which also means

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread M Wheeler
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 07:19:19AM -0400, bofh wrote: > > Unless you are in India, or Pakistan, or any of the other countries where > Blackberry basically gave them the backdoor. Which also means the US, > essentially. > This is to do with the encryption used for BBM services and not BlackBerry

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread bofh
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > M Wheeler said: > > Android is the most targeted platform by malware by a massive degree. > > Whatever you do, don't get an android. > > This is not supported by evidence. Actually, only vendors of > "antivirus" software for android r

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread bofh
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:46 AM, John Long wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:51:39PM +0530, Jay Patel wrote: > > Blackberry for security? or something else. > > BlackBerry has notably fewer exploits than other platforms, especially > Unless you are in India, or Pakistan, or any of the other co

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Gareth Nelson said: > Is it theoretically possible to boot an OpenBSD kernel on an average > android device? TLDR: this requires a lot of work and provides much less then expected in exchange. That would require a lot of drivers which we don't have. Even aftermarket Android firmware uses binary

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread ludovic coues
2015-05-25 22:37 GMT+02:00 Gareth Nelson : > > Is it theoretically possible to boot an OpenBSD kernel on an average > android device? > > Most android device run on ARM, with a few running on intel. ARM processor up to Cortex A17 use the ARMv7 instruction set, the same as the OpenBSD ARM Port. S

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-26 Thread Jiri B
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:40:05PM +0530, Jay Patel wrote: > Thanks John for in dept detail... BB seems good. be cause i travel lot and > mail usually using mobile only. keyboard seems better idea. Nobody cares about your personal stuff, so back to OpenBSD or STFU. Thx. j.

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread Gareth Nelson
Let's get back on topic then Is it theoretically possible to boot an OpenBSD kernel on an average android device? Were it not for licensing issues i'd suggest getting drivers from the android kernel and working to do precisely that - clean room method anyone? --- “Lanie, I’m going to

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread Yegor Timoschenko
> Sorry LRDS .. but openbsd-misc. :) That's right, it is OpenBSD misc, not just misc. I don't care about your birthday. The other 4504 subscribers of this list are unlikely to care, as well. I've already sent you a private message, but it seems it didn't help. I'm repeating myself: This list i

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread Jay Patel
Sorry LRDS .. but openbsd-misc. :) I am getting good phone for my b'day present :) not going to do same mistake as i did with CentOS. On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:12 PM, L.R. D.S. wrote: > I'm sorry, how this is OpenBSD related? > 4chan /g/ love this kind of discussion, you guys should try there.

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread Jay Patel
Thanks John for in dept detail... BB seems good. be cause i travel lot and mail usually using mobile only. keyboard seems better idea. On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:16 PM, John Long wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:51:39PM +0530, Jay Patel wrote: > > Blackberry for security? or something else. >

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread L.R. D.S.
I'm sorry, how this is OpenBSD related? 4chan /g/ love this kind of discussion, you guys should try there.

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread M Wheeler
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 01:12:01PM +0200, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: > This is not supported by evidence. Actually, only vendors of > "antivirus" software for android really claim any meaningful amount of > malware, and even then they fail to point at anything in particular. That might be true.

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
M Wheeler said: > Android is the most targeted platform by malware by a massive degree. > Whatever you do, don't get an android. This is not supported by evidence. Actually, only vendors of "antivirus" software for android really claim any meaningful amount of malware, and even then they fail to

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread John Long
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 12:51:39PM +0530, Jay Patel wrote: > Blackberry for security? or something else. BlackBerry has notably fewer exploits than other platforms, especially Android-anything. I haven't bought a new one recently but the older ones were actually good phones as in they don't drop c

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-25 Thread M Wheeler
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 10:15:53AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > Gareth Nelson wrote: > >Why on earth would you say "blackberry for security"? > > > >Get an android device with an unlocked bootloader, encrypt the storage Android is the most targeted platform by malware by a massive deg

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Jay Patel
Hmm... I am not that worried about.. I just need to reduce phone usage i guess... On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Black Rider wrote: > I trust no smartphone these days. If you want portable communications, any > small laptop/netbook with full disk encryption, message encryption > abilities and

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Black Rider
I trust no smartphone these days. If you want portable communications, any small laptop/netbook with full disk encryption, message encryption abilities and voip encryption abilities is better. I suppose that does not help a lot. I guess any phone you can install custom firmware on (such as cyanoge

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Jay Patel
Thanks for detail info. I got your point ... On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Riccardo Mottola < riccardo.mott...@libero.it> wrote: > Hi, > > Gareth Nelson wrote: > >> Why on earth would you say "blackberry for security"? >> >> Get an android device with an unlocked bootloader, encrypt the storag

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 24 May 2015 10:15:53 +0200 Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > Gareth Nelson wrote: > > Why on earth would you say "blackberry for security"? > > QNX. If you grok it and have the dev tools a Blackberry could be made secure against anything

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Gareth Nelson wrote: Why on earth would you say "blackberry for security"? Get an android device with an unlocked bootloader, encrypt the storage I don't trust Google, but not that I trust other companies more. I know they selll your data to the government without resistance. Choose the

Re: Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Gareth Nelson
Why on earth would you say "blackberry for security"? Get an android device with an unlocked bootloader, encrypt the storage --- “Lanie, I’m going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” - Printcrime by Cory D

Phone suggestion.

2015-05-24 Thread Jay Patel
Which phone our community suggest? Blackberry for security? or something else. Thanks.