2010/6/23 Kevin Chadwick :
> I guess the addon card makers dropped a clanger and this will be
> rectified. Do you know if they just run at a lower speed on some boards?
Yes. If you want USB3 with Intel, wait for chipsets with integrated USB3.
Best
Martin
> No. Their chipsets give a 16 PCIe 2 lanes and 4 PICe 1.1 lanes, so you
> have a 16x2 PCIe slot for the gfx card and a 4x1.1 PCIe slot (or 4
> 1x1.1 PCIe slots). USB 3 is faster 1x1.1 PICe, so you need a 4xPICe
> USB3 card. Most USB3 cards are 1xPICe, though.
>
> If you need USB 3, get an AMD boa
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:19:17 +0200
Henning Brauer wrote:
> as rock solid as they might be, at this age, the likeliness of them
> dieing anytime soon is growing. fast.
Hard drives and fans aside, there comes a point where a system has
passed the test of time, and so a system that has run for 6 mo
* and...@msu.edu [2010-06-23 01:34]:
> Dell made some incredible Optiplex models that were white, using P3's
> from 450MHz to about 1.2Ghz. I have several at work in production
> service, and some of them are 10 years old.
heck, I have systems that old in production.
the point is - new setups us
Quoting Henning Brauer :
> * Nick [2010-06-13 18:43]:
>> >> that might be (I am not convinced tho) with the electricity price in
>> >> the US, but certainly isn't universal.
>>
>> The calculations are.
>
> $/kWh isn't...
>
>> Cost of money (i.e., interest rate), watts saved (if any), cost of a
>>
* Stuart Henderson [2010-06-12 23:59]:
> On 2010-06-12, Henning Brauer wrote:
> > * Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
> >> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
> >> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
> >> free!). IF the new, cool stuff has a
* Nick [2010-06-13 18:43]:
> >> that might be (I am not convinced tho) with the electricity price in
> >> the US, but certainly isn't universal.
>
> The calculations are.
$/kWh isn't...
> Cost of money (i.e., interest rate), watts saved (if any), cost of a
> kWh, initial costs, etc. Plug in yo
Yes
Small webiste personal = server at home
big project = datacenter
We agree
>> why pay 100dollars/month, 1200dollars/yaer for a server ???.
>
> because you get what you pay for.
>
> maintaining a sane & secure & reliable data center isn't exactly
> cheap.
--
@plus
* Tomas Bodzar [2010-06-12 11:55]:
> See tables with consumption
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Mobile_Pentium_III-M (especially
> ultra-low-voltage models). And it's far more powerful then Atom.
looking at my PIII-based (yes, kinda the last ones,
onethousandtwohundredsomething mhz) storag
* E.T [2010-06-12 10:56]:
> why pay 100dollars/month, 1200dollars/yaer for a server ???.
because you get what you pay for.
maintaining a sane & secure & reliable data center isn't exactly
cheap.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service
2010/6/17 Kevin Chadwick :
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
> Martin Schrvder wrote:
>> Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
>
> Maybe if you're using lots of usb3s and a 16x graphics card etc, you may
> run out of bandwidth, but I heard the real reason is intel have some
> intermediar
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:44:40 -0300
Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac wrote:
> On 06/17/2010 09:57 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
> > Martin SchrC6der wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwick:
> >>
> >>> I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 mon
On 06/17/2010 09:57 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
Martin SchrC6der wrote:
2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwick:
I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
Best
Martin
Maybe if you'
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:30:58 +0200
Martin SchrC6der wrote:
> 2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwick :
> > I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
>
> Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
>
> Best
>Martin
>
Maybe if you're using lots of usb3s and a 16x graphics card etc, you may
2010/6/16 Kevin Chadwick :
> I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
Even worse: Their PCIe is too slow for usb3.
Best
Martin
> No. I seriously doubt that you will get usb3 or sata2 adapters (PCI?)
> for PIII systems. And even if you get them, they don't make sense.
> Even new Intel systems have problems with usb3 performance...
>
I heard intel have postponed usb3 for atleast 6 months too.
Sure thing!
On 06/16/2010 05:28 PM, Martin Schrvder wrote:
2010/6/12 E.T:
mother card PIII, is compatible: usb2, usb3, e-sata, sata2, sata3,
firewire800, raid0, raid1, raid6
...
And I'd love to see your face when your PIII system rebuilds your
10TB RAID6 array... :-)
2010/6/12 E.T :
> mother card PIII, is compatible: usb2, usb3, e-sata, sata2, sata3,
> firewire800, raid0, raid1, raid6
No. I seriously doubt that you will get usb3 or sata2 adapters (PCI?)
for PIII systems. And even if you get them, they don't make sense.
Even new Intel systems have problems with
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:20:52 -0700, Andreas Gerdd
wrote:
Learn English, buddy. This is an English-only mailing list.
You're disturbing.
It is? I learn something new everyday.
Mehma
Sorry, my english is very bad ...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:47:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:08:28 +0200
> "E.T" wrote:
>
>> Hence the question of having a powerful processor?
>>
>> One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work.
>> Processor mult-
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:08:28 +0200
"E.T" wrote:
> Hence the question of having a powerful processor?
>
> One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work.
> Processor mult-core 3.00ghz not utility for firewall and desktop.
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:44:37 +0100, Kevin Chad
Hence the question of having a powerful processor?
One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work.
Processor mult-core 3.00ghz not utility for firewall and desktop.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:44:37 +0100, Kevin Chadwick
wrote:
>> I can also show you PIII systems that draw more
> I can also show you PIII systems that draw more than 300W, and I
> discarded one a while ago that probably could have maxed out at well
> over 500w.
>
I was shocked to find my nforce board draws around 130 watts, when
it's switched OFF!!! and with the new graphics card can push upto
700 wat
On 06/12/10 04:53, E.T wrote:
>> * Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
>>> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
>>> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
>>> free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
>>> unlikely to ever re
On 2010-06-12, Henning Brauer wrote:
> * Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
>> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
>> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
>> free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
>> unlikely to ever
Looks like you love Atom, I don't see why.
Thank you for all the answers, I think we went around the issue.
bye
On 6/12/10, E.T wrote:
>
> yes, datacenter in french, camera, backup, protection fire. Datacenter in
> frech : inverter on fire, crash server datacenter attack, maintenance
> operation catastrophy, server on fire site web black-out. It's reality in
> french. There is no accident, datacenter americ
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:13:02 +0200
"E.T" wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good?
> >
> > Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics,
> > kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have
> > been rebooted a lot, withou
> I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good?
>
> Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics,
> kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have
> been rebooted a lot, without precautions. We've always said fingerprint
> readers were
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:06:47 +0200
"E.T" wrote:
> > A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a
> > data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove
> > secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which
> > lock the metal case to the p
> A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a
> data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove
> secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which
> lock the metal case to the pc from bios setting and set the bios to
> prevent boot wit
When someone get access to your OpenBSD machine (which is
> much more easy at your home) and do boot> boot -s , then where is you
> security? ;-)
>
A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a
data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove
secure from
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:33:35 +0300
Jussi Peltola wrote:
> This is assuming 5 years service life,
> which is not very hard to get with carefully chosen hardware from the
> dumpster, but seems to be too much to ask when buying new...
Hear, Hear, Applies to most non specialist electronics. We just
> Et en quoi l'iPad est le futur de l'informatique ? Pourquoi donc n'y
> a-t-il pas d'ARM multiprocesseurs ou multicoeurs ? Pourquoi donc
> n'utilise-t-on jamais de processeurs ARM lorsque l'on a des besoins
> importants en entrC)es/sorties, par exemple pour des serveurs de fichiers
> ou de base de
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, E.T wrote:
>> It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035
>> , same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has
>> worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't
>> specify eg. FSB for D510? Because
> It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035
> , same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has
> worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't
> specify eg. FSB for D510? Because it's worse? i86 is still same crap
> (and those
> > Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year.
> > Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and
> > 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it.
>
> The future is processor ARM
Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh.
Miod
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, E.T wrote:
>> Can't find any physical. Only those like this one
>> http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those
>> datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in
>> fact just confirmation that most of the problems
> Can't find any physical. Only those like this one
> http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those
> datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in
> fact just confirmation that most of the problems come from inside of
> companies. Because it's much
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, E.T wrote:
>> Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not
>> standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to
>> datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with
>> long enough backup of data, encoded rac
> Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not
> standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to
> datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with
> long enough backup of data, encoded racks so only you or persons you
> allowed have acces
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM, E.T wrote:
>> Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year.
>> Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and
>> 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it.
>
> The future is processor ARM, Openbsd suppoorte
> Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year.
> Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and
> 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it.
The future is processor ARM, Openbsd suppoorted ARM is good way. This
month, canoncial and linaro(
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, E.T wrote:
> Well, good interesting thoughts.
>
>> Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure
>> that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low
>> puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile and then
>> PI
Well, good interesting thoughts.
> Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure
> that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low
> puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile and then
> PIII-M which was predecessor to Pentium M
mother card
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:53:52AM +0200, E.T wrote:
> > * Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
> >> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
> >> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
> >> free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM, E.T wrote:
>> * Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
>>> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
>>> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
>>> free!). B IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
>>> un
> * Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
>> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
>> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
>> free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
>> unlikely to ever recoup the initial cost over recycled
* Nick [2010-06-11 12:55]:
> If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small
> PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually,
> free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are
> unlikely to ever recoup the initial cost over recycled hardw
Hi Daniel
Thank you back, this is a real headache this question. The X7SPA-HF is
very good, full fuctionnality.
I found a little gem , link below.
http://www.lextronic.fr/P6389-platine-fox-board-g20.html
This card could be an excellent web server: OpenBSD / Nginx
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:35
On 06/11/10 03:59, E.T wrote:
> Tank you Sean, I'll try to respond to your message
>
> Indeed, a firewall is not a desktop. On the site openbsd.org is indicated
> support for OpenBSD i386 processors Atom platform. But it is not clear
> Atom1, Atom2, while the responses were made, are on Atom1. A f
Tank you Sean, I'll try to respond to your message
Indeed, a firewall is not a desktop. On the site openbsd.org is indicated
support for OpenBSD i386 processors Atom platform. But it is not clear
Atom1, Atom2, while the responses were made, are on Atom1. A firewall must
be 100% supported by the pl
On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Teemu Rinta-aho wrote:
> On 06/10/2010 09:18 PM, E.T wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
>> watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
>> for a complete solution. I also looked at the soluti
On 6/10/10 4:06 PM, E.T wrote:
My main
question and therefore, is that OpenBSD supports a 100%, the atom D510?.
The X server is configured with more time. But there will be no more bugs
or conflicts later, more severe and troublesome.
Same URL as earlier today.
You should check the archive fir
very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ?
>
> OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009
> t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD
> cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class)
> 1.60
In fact, there is color, the buttons work. That's cool :)
Tanks
> Maybe, but it beats the pants off the old Asus eeePC I had. It's a
> netbook. I use it for portable productivity, coding, testing and web
> surfing... not as an Internet gateway/FW.
--
@plus
FRLinux wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
> wrote:
>>> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
>> Okay, but what is your question?
>
>
> I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
> OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)
Hi
In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of
room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to
disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5
minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I installed all the
packets, X-
On 6/10/10 2:41 PM, FRLinux wrote:
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)
My question (sorry for hijacking this thread) is : is there any people
on this list who switched from soekris (geode) to atom, and are they
happy wi
E.T wrote:
> very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ?
>
>
>> OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009
>> t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD
>> cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz ("GenuineIntel" 6
yes, exactly !!!
See my complete post before.
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:02:23 -0400, Brad Tilley
wrote:
> FRLinux wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
>> wrote:
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
>>> Okay, but what is your question?
>>
>>
>> I g
FRLinux wrote:
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
wrote:
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what is your question?
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)
My question (s
On Thu, June 10, 2010 12:18 pm, E.T wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
> watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
> for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is
> expensive compared to D510mo from
On 06/10/2010 09:18 PM, E.T wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is
expensive compared to D510mo from Intel.
Well it
E.T wrote:
> Hi
>
> In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of
> room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to
> disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5
> minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I instal
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper
wrote:
>> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
> Okay, but what is your question?
I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with
OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)
My question (sorry for hijack
You can use an Atom, I'm using a 1.6GHz dual-core version on my home
firewall. It is more than sufficient for small-medium traffic.
On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:18 PM, "E.T" wrote:
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are les
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 08:18:44PM +0200, E.T wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD.
Okay, but what is your question?
Joachim
Hi all
I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I
watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive
for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is
expensive compared to D510mo from Intel.
In the doc OpenBSD i386:
http://openbsd.org
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