Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-12 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus Constantine A. Murenin spake: I didn't know that Linux has such an ugly dmesgs. Please, resist from posting them on this list, they hurt my screen. :) they just mirror the (ugly) internals of Linux ;)

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-12 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
I didn't know that Linux has such an ugly dmesgs. Please, resist from posting them on this list, they hurt my screen. :) On 11/05/06, Timo Schoeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: thus Robert spake: > Timo Schoeler wrote: >> thus Robert spake: >>> Timo Schoeler wrote: thus Alexander Farber spake

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-12 Thread Henning Brauer
* Lars Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-12 06:35]: > On Friday 12 May 2006 02:58, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > These are, uh, quite large operations, and if there's a way to reduce > > IP address use by 3/4 without putting a bunch of customers in the same > > subnet that's probably a good thing.

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-12 Thread Dan Farrell
inal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Hansson Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:26 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero) On Friday 12 May 2006 02:58, Stuart Henderson wrote: > These are, uh, quite large operations, an

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Lars Hansson
On Friday 12 May 2006 02:58, Stuart Henderson wrote: > These are, uh, quite large operations, and if there's a way to reduce > IP address use by 3/4 without putting a bunch of customers in the same > subnet that's probably a good thing. Wouldnt that be what VLAN's are for? --- Lars Hansson

[SOLVED] Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Robert
Robert wrote: > Alexander Farber wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I probably have a similar setup at strato.de and use Kili's trick: >> >>h754815:afarber {103} cat /etc/hostname.fxp0 >>inet 81.169.186.95 255.255.255.255 NONE >>!route add 81.169.186.1 -link \$if: -interface >> >> See the explanati

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Marian Hettwer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Timo Schoeler wrote: > > > IDE. puke. 'ExelStore'. wtf? i wouldn't give such hardware to my > enemies. ;D You're right with ExelStore ;) Anyway, my server at strato is running fine for 2,5 years now. FreeBSD 5.2.1, 5.3, 6.0, 6.1 ;) But I do have t

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 08:55:20PM +0200, Robert wrote: > > I probably have a similar setup at strato.de and use Kili's trick: [...] > >!route add 81.169.186.1 -link \$if: -interface [...] > Using .0 netmask works, but won't allow traffic with other hosts in the > same subnet. (Which shouldn't

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus Robert spake: Timo Schoeler wrote: thus Robert spake: Timo Schoeler wrote: thus Alexander Farber spake: Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one should always see at least the boot> prompt - unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match Do you see the boot> prompt and h

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Dan Farrell
Support staff tied up with this client, and the same unhappy client trashing them on this mailing list. Good job, 1and1 !!! Dan Farrell Applied Innovations [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stuart Henderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:59 PM To: Dan

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus Robert spake: Timo Schoeler wrote: thus Alexander Farber spake: Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one should always see at least the boot> prompt - unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match Do you see the boot> prompt and have you tried "verbose"? On 5/11/06, Robe

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread sebastian . rother
Comments to Strato: I used Yaifo to install OpenBSD on STRATO. And I used the Netmask 255.255.0.0. I forgot to change Yaifo so I had to rename my installsets to *38.tgz. :)) Here`s a DMESG (Server is from an older offer): OpenBSD 3.9 (GENERIC) #617: Thu Mar 2 02:26:48 MST 2006 [EMAIL PROTE

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Robert
Robert wrote: > Alexander Farber wrote: >> Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one >> should always see at least the boot> prompt - >> unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match >> >> Do you see the boot> prompt and have you tried "verbose"? >> > > The machine doesn't come up.

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Robert
Timo Schoeler wrote: > thus Alexander Farber spake: >> Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one >> should always see at least the boot> prompt - >> unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match >> >> Do you see the boot> prompt and have you tried "verbose"? >> >> On 5/11/06, Robert

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread sebastian . rother
> Geez network setups just shouldn't be that strained... I mean, what > happened to hooking up a server with a /30 connection to the nearest > router? Am I missing something? > > Dan Farrell Depends on the fact if you may "wanna sniff" or not... :-) Kind regards, Sebastian -- Don't buy anything

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Robert
Alexander Farber wrote: > Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one > should always see at least the boot> prompt - > unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match > > Do you see the boot> prompt and have you tried "verbose"? > The machine doesn't come up. No boot prompt. stty is

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Thorsten Glaser
(keeping cross-post of original poster because I don't have a better idea) Todd T. Fries dixit: >The problem is that 1and1 hosting choses to have any root servers >setup with `ip subnet zero'. That's a fancy way of stating that they >expect systems to setup IP's with netmasks of 255.255.255.255

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
thus Alexander Farber spake: Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one should always see at least the boot> prompt - unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match Do you see the boot> prompt and have you tried "verbose"? On 5/11/06, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alexander F

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Alexander Farber
Do you see any kernel output at all? I believe one should always see at least the boot> prompt - unless the serial speed of the console doesn't match Do you see the boot> prompt and have you tried "verbose"? On 5/11/06, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alexander Farber wrote: >h754815:afar

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/05/11 13:28, Dan Farrell wrote: > Geez network setups just shouldn't be that strained... I mean, what > happened to hooking up a server with a /30 connection to the nearest > router? Am I missing something? These are, uh, quite large operations, and if there's a way to reduce IP address u

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Robert
Alexander Farber wrote: > Hello, > > I probably have a similar setup at strato.de and use Kili's trick: > >h754815:afarber {103} cat /etc/hostname.fxp0 >inet 81.169.186.95 255.255.255.255 NONE >!route add 81.169.186.1 -link \$if: -interface > > See the explanation at http://www.dettu

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Alexander Farber
Hello, I probably have a similar setup at strato.de and use Kili's trick: h754815:afarber {103} cat /etc/hostname.fxp0 inet 81.169.186.95 255.255.255.255 NONE !route add 81.169.186.1 -link \$if: -interface See the explanation at http://www.dettus.net/ Regards Alex PS: I wonder if any

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread Dan Farrell
ECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:02 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero) *cut* Once I set up a Serve rat a very moronic and clueless Hoster (Strato) wich used/uses the same Setup. Depends on their Network you may wann

Re: FYI, 1and1 hosting fun (ip subnet zero)

2006-05-11 Thread sebastian . rother
*cut* Once I set up a Serve rat a very moronic and clueless Hoster (Strato) wich used/uses the same Setup. Depends on their Network you may wanna try 255.255.0.0 or 255.255.255.0. :) fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 lladdr 00:00:aa:77:cc:22 groups: egress media: Ethernet autosele