Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-10 Thread Darren Tucker
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > Linux developers were seeing higher throughput (though obviously higher > cpu usage) when offload was disabled. Apparently the checksum offload > can't pipeline. I'm not sure if vlan hw tagging was also implicated. > IIRC there were more

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-06 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-12-02, Darren Tucker wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Blaise Hizded wrote: >> >> I run the previous generation ALIX 2D13 with OpenBSD 5.6 on it for a >> home firewall with 10MB WAN broadband and 100MB between computers. >> All is fine: low temperature, low consumption, same speed

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread bodie
On 02.12.2014 22:25, Stan Gammons wrote: On 12/02/14 09:51, Chris Cappuccio wrote: Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: The APU1C works fine for a home network. The only 2 things I dislike are the CPU temperature and the link LED's are off when the Ethernet ports are linked at 1 gig. I've

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Josh Grosse
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:54:14AM +1100, Darren Tucker wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Blaise Hizded wrote: > > > > I run the previous generation ALIX 2D13 with OpenBSD 5.6 on it for a > > home firewall with 10MB WAN broadband and 100MB between computers. > > All is fine: low temperatur

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Darren Tucker
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Blaise Hizded wrote: > > I run the previous generation ALIX 2D13 with OpenBSD 5.6 on it for a > home firewall with 10MB WAN broadband and 100MB between computers. > All is fine: low temperature, low consumption, same speed as with a > basic 100MBB switch. > I spen

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Stan Gammons
On 12/02/14 09:51, Chris Cappuccio wrote: Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: The APU1C works fine for a home network. The only 2 things I dislike are the CPU temperature and the link LED's are off when the Ethernet ports are linked at 1 gig. I've complained about the link LED issue on the

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Chris Cappuccio
li...@ggp2.com [li...@ggp2.com] wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 07:51:19AM -0800, Chris Cappuccio wrote: > > Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: > > Call me crazy, but when OpenBSD takes over control of the Realtek chips, > > isn't it OpenBSD's responsibility to program them properly, not the

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread lists
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 07:51:19AM -0800, Chris Cappuccio wrote: > Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: > Call me crazy, but when OpenBSD takes over control of the Realtek chips, > isn't it OpenBSD's responsibility to program them properly, not the BIOS? Wouldn't this generally be controlled b

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-12-02 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Stan Gammons [sg063...@gmail.com] wrote: > > The APU1C works fine for a home network. The only 2 things I dislike are > the CPU temperature and the link LED's are off when the Ethernet ports are > linked at 1 gig. I've complained about the link LED issue on the PC Engines > support forum, but I g

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-29 Thread Blaise Hizded
On 11/28/2014 06:21 PM, trondd wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Edgar Pettijohn > wrote: > >> This is something I've been interested in trying, but I would want it as a >> wireless access point as well and not sure what cards are supported and >> work well. Does anyone know of any good

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-28 Thread trondd
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:00 AM, Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > > This is something I've been interested in trying, but I would want it as a > wireless access point as well and not sure what cards are supported and > work well. Does anyone know of any good choices? > > I went with an athn card in my

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-28 Thread Stan Gammons
On 11/28/14 01:32, Blaise Hizded wrote: On 11/28/2014 06:01 AM, Brad Smith wrote: On 11/27/14 23:50, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, wrote: you can just use old hardware for these purposes. from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via http://h

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Blaise Hizded
On 11/28/2014 06:01 AM, Brad Smith wrote: > On 11/27/14 23:50, jungle Boogie wrote: >> Hi, >> On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, wrote: >>> >>> you can just use old hardware for these purposes. >>> >>> from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via >>> http://home.nuug.no/~peter

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Christopher Vance
I only have ADSL with downloads < 23Mb/s. A PC Engines ALIX does just fine for my pf. On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM, jungle Boogie wrote: > Hi Stan, > On 27 November 2014 at 20:09, Stan Gammons wrote: > > > > The latest BIOS, 9/8/2014, doesn't fix the LED issue. > > > > I saw Brad's comments

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Brad, On 27 November 2014 at 21:01, Brad Smith wrote: > > I don't see anyone claiming it would not be good. It's more like if you > happen to have some old hw around that it would probably be good enough > for what you're describing but the APU system would also do the job just > fine. > > Fai

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Brad Smith
On 11/27/14 23:50, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, wrote: you can just use old hardware for these purposes. from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/long-firewall.html): I have not seen comparable tests

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On Nov 27, 2014, at 9:35 PM, jungle Boogie wrote: > Hello All, > On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found >> mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past >> i386 OpenBSD u

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi, On 27 November 2014 at 20:38, wrote: > > you can just use old hardware for these purposes. > > from the man who literally wrote the book on pf (from pf tutorial via > http://home.nuug.no/~peter/pf/en/long-firewall.html): > > I have not seen comparable tests performed recently [3.1 era], but

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread thevoid
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:10:14 -0800 jungle Boogie wrote: > Hi Brad, > On 27 November 2014 at 19:51, Brad Smith wrote: > > On 11/27/14 22:35, jungle Boogie wrote: > >> Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will > >> probably get a strike against it, but I like the low p

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 20:09, Stan Gammons wrote: > > The latest BIOS, 9/8/2014, doesn't fix the LED issue. > > I saw Brad's comments in the other email. The APU is Ok to use as a home > firewall. I have no experience on using one in more demanding environment. > > Well what would be som

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Stan Gammons
On 11/27/14 22:01, jungle Boogie wrote: Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 19:49, Stan Gammons wrote: On 11/27/14 21:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will probably get a strike against it, but I like the low power. I have a couple of th

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Brad, On 27 November 2014 at 19:51, Brad Smith wrote: > On 11/27/14 22:35, jungle Boogie wrote: >> Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will >> probably get a strike against it, but I like the low power. > > > Unless you guys give some sort of hints as to what these

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Stan, On 27 November 2014 at 19:49, Stan Gammons wrote: > On 11/27/14 21:35, jungle Boogie wrote: >> >> Anyone have any objections? I know the NICs are not intel so that will >> probably get a strike against it, but I like the low power. >> >> > > I have a couple of the APU1C's and they are Ok.

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Brad Smith
On 11/27/14 22:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot bet

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread Stan Gammons
On 11/27/14 21:35, jungle Boogie wrote: Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot bet

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-27 Thread jungle Boogie
Hello All, On 25 November 2014 at 12:52, Motty Cruz wrote: > Hello all, > I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found > mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past > i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. > I'm in si

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Adam Thompson
On 14-11-25 02:52 PM, Motty Cruz wrote: Hello all, I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. Any suggestions! Thanks, Motty

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/25/14 15:51, Motty Cruz wrote: > Hello all, > I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found > mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the > past i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. Paraphrasing your question: I'm

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Juan J. Fernandez
Thank you Brad. Juan J. Fernandez On 11/25/14 21:20, Brad Smith wrote: On 11/25/14 18:18, motty cruz wrote: Thank you Juan, I appreciate your suggestions and advice. I am planning on using Dual socket B2 (LGA 1356) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E5-2400 v2, I suppose i386 would perform b

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Juan J. Fernandez
Thank you for your advice Philip. Can you please give your advice then ? Thank you :) Juan J. Fernandez On 11/25/14 21:06, Philip Guenther wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Juan J. Fernandez wrote: In general, you could achieve performance by configuring your kernel according to your

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Brad Smith
On 11/25/14 18:18, motty cruz wrote: Thank you Juan, I appreciate your suggestions and advice. I am planning on using Dual socket B2 (LGA 1356) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E5-2400 v2, I suppose i386 would perform better rather than 64bit amd processor. Thank you again! The amd64 arch r

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Philip Guenther
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Juan J. Fernandez wrote: > In general, you could achieve performance by configuring your kernel > according to your hardware. You can use dmesg(8) and 'GENERIC' kernel > configuration as a guide for your hardware. That's bad advice. When you run a non-standard ke

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread motty cruz
Thank you Juan, I appreciate your suggestions and advice. I am planning on using Dual socket B2 (LGA 1356) supports Intel® Xeon® processor E5-2400 v2, I suppose i386 would perform better rather than 64bit amd processor. Thank you again! Thanks, Motty On 11/25/2014 03:01 PM, Juan J. Fernandez w

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Juan J. Fernandez
Greetings Motty Cruz, In general, you could achieve performance by configuring your kernel according to your hardware. You can use dmesg(8) and 'GENERIC' kernel configuration as a guide for your hardware. Sometimes i386 will run faster than 64 bit (see http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html).

Re: Packet Filter router i368 vs 64bit

2014-11-25 Thread Daniel Melameth
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Motty Cruz wrote: > I am searching for hardware to build a router with OpenBSD. I have found > mixed signals as to fastest system with i386 or 64bit. I know in the past > i386 OpenBSD used to perform a lot better than 64bit system. As I understand it, amd64 has be